RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[tommybhoy]

I know a lot is getting made about the better power efficiency vs a 3080 but if you undervolt a 3080 to 200w is only loses 5% which puts it right around a 4070 in terms of performance and efficiency.

It would be replacing a 3070 not my 3080, undervolting isn't 100% stable playing competitive, thanks all the same.

 

[SpudMaster]

Yes, I'm not sure I'm buying the VRAM concerns when you've got consoles on a baseline of between 12-13GB of RAM (of which they have to use for both their system and video RAM). No ones buying a £600 GPU expecting to run ultra settings at 4K, so I'd be very surprised if this GPU can't see out this console generation while comfortably maintaining better performance than what is possible on console.

The fact we're still looking at £600 for a midrange GPU sucks, but for people stuck on 1070/1080 class GPUs there gets a point where you can only wait so long to finally upgrade. I'm undecided but I want to play with these new technologies I've been missing out on like RT, DLSS, the non-gaming GPU accelerated things.

Series X and PS5 have 16GB with about 2.5GB reserved for system I believe (atleast in the case of the Series X). Not sure how this relates to VRAM in the consoles but it leaves 13.5GB for games so I'd definately like to have atleast 16GB VRAM if I was buying a graphics card for my PC.

 

[Sgt_Major]

Yes, I'm not sure I'm buying the VRAM concerns when you've got consoles on a baseline of between 12-13GB of RAM (of which they have to use for both their system and video RAM). No ones buying a £600 GPU expecting to run ultra settings at 4K, so I'd be very surprised if this GPU can't see out this console generation while comfortably maintaining better performance than what is possible on console.

The fact we're still looking at £600 for a midrange GPU sucks, but for people stuck on 1070/1080 class GPUs there gets a point where you can only wait so long to finally upgrade. I'm undecided but I want to play with these new technologies I've been missing out on like RT, DLSS, the non-gaming GPU accelerated things.

Games are optimised for consoles, and their ram/video memory systems are much more efficiant and optimised too, you cannot compare them.

 

[Joxeon]

Yes, I'm not sure I'm buying the VRAM concerns when you've got consoles on a baseline of between 12-13GB of RAM (of which they have to use for both their system and video RAM). No ones buying a £600 GPU expecting to run ultra settings at 4K, so I'd be very surprised if this GPU can't see out this console generation while comfortably maintaining better performance than what is possible on console.

Games are better optimised for consoles though, PC ports especially lately seem to be very slapdash.

 

[Author_25]

Yes, I'm not sure I'm buying the VRAM concerns when you've got consoles on a baseline of between 12-13GB of RAM (of which they have to use for both their system and video RAM). No ones buying a £600 GPU expecting to run ultra settings at 4K, so I'd be very surprised if this GPU can't see out this console generation while comfortably maintaining better performance than what is possible on console.

The fact we're still looking at £600 for a midrange GPU sucks, but for people stuck on 1070/1080 class GPUs there gets a point where you can only wait so long to finally upgrade. I'm undecided but I want to play with these new technologies I've been missing out on like RT, DLSS, the non-gaming GPU accelerated things.

I am on a 1070 and if I wait until the next Gen the likelihood is I will have to pay more then than I will for a RTX 4000 or RX7000 card.

There is no real good choice and waiting and hoping that Nvidia and AMD lower there prices, to what we believe they should be, is not going to happen, higher prices are here to stay, and all we can do is buy the best card we can at the price point we have chosen.

 

[Sgt_Major]

You forget the FOMO of most PCMR. But electronics sales are collapsing to the amount that even Apple is affected. The reality is that the market is entirely down to weak willed PCMR who validate every con these companies pull. Then start shooting the messenger for pointing out it happening. It's like a religion now. It's become a mockery of what PCMR used to stand for when it started decades ago. It's why we have PCMR validating the pay to win and predatory monetisation of so many games. Basically I think some of us should be lucky to have lived through the true golden age of PCMR.

Indeed, call someone out, call them a fool for making poor purchasing decisons and you are suddenly Mr nasty, not a nice guy, you are Mr MEANIE who goes around ruining everyones day for having a valid opinion on why said product was not worth the money and therefore calling people out when they try to justify their purchase to everyone else cause "reasons".

Honestly, people getting offended over the word "fool", jesus, when did everyone turn into marshmellows, soft on the outside, soft on the inside....

 

[Sgt_Major]

I am on a 1070 and if I wait until the next Gen the likelihood is I will have to pay more then than I will for a RTX 4000 or RX7000 card.

There is no real good choice and waiting and hoping that Nvidia and AMD lower there prices, to what we believe they should be, is not going to happen, higher prices are here to stay, and all we can do is buy the best card we can at the price point we have chosen.

Well thats fair enough mate, but its not a 4070 lol....

 

[SpudMaster]

I am on a 1070 and if I wait until the next Gen the likelihood is I will have to pay more then than I will for a RTX 4000 or RX7000 card.

There is no real good choice and waiting and hoping that Nvidia and AMD lower there prices, to what we believe they should be, is not going to happen, higher prices are here to stay, and all we can do is buy the best card we can at the price point we have chosen.

Or we don't buy at AMD's and Nvidia's inflated prices and force them to lower

 

[Joxeon]

I am on a 1070 and if I wait until the next Gen the likelihood is I will have to pay more then than I will for a RTX 4000 or RX7000 card.

There is no real good choice and waiting and hoping that Nvidia and AMD lower there prices, to what we believe they should be, is not going to happen, higher prices are here to stay, and all we can do is buy the best card we can at the price point we have chosen.

The likeyhood is next gen will be better, Nvidia cant keep rolling out the same performance at the same price point and get away with it for 2 gens in a row.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I am on a 1070 and if I wait until the next Gen the likelihood is I will have to pay more then than I will for a RTX 4000 or RX7000 card.

There is no real good choice and waiting and hoping that Nvidia and AMD lower there prices, to what we believe they should be, is not going to happen, higher prices are here to stay, and all we can do is buy the best card we can at the price point we have chosen.

The same was said about Turing V1, but Turing V2 was a much better generation because the first version sold poorly. There is plenty of space for Nvidia to relaunch the series with Super models in six months time. Nvidia is sitting on over $5 billion of inventory and relatively poor sales. This is not even considering if any new AMD launches change tiers. Don't believe social media echo chambers - this is a buyers market.

Also you had some chances to upgrade. RX6700XT cards could be had for close to £325 recently and that should be nearly double the performance of a GTX1070. The GTX1070 still gets £100 to £150 secondhand.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Yep no excuses. If you lock yourself into the brand then there is even less choice. You have to some day wake up and smell the coffee that nvidia hasn't dropped prices for years now, it looks like they wont by much in the future either but lets see how the year pans out.

 

[Author_25]

Or we don't buy at AMD's and Nvidia's inflated prices and force them to lower

Seriously thinking about that as this Generation is a serious disappointment.

The likeyhood is next gen will be better, Nvidia cant keep rolling out the same performance at the same price point and get away with it for 2 gens in a row.

I am not to convinced on that given Nvidias attitude to consumers, AMD may be better.

The same was said about Turing V1, but Turing V2 was a much better generation because the first version sold poorly. There is plenty of space for Nvidia to relaunch the series with Super models in six months time. Nvidia is sitting on over $5 billion of inventory and relatively poor sales. This is not even considering if any new AMD launches change tiers. Don't believe social media echo chambers - this is a buyers market.

Also you had some chances to upgrade. RX6700XT cards could be had for close to £325 recently and that should be nearly double the performance of a GTX1070. The GTX1070 still gets £100 to £150 secondhand.

Saved a quite a bit for my new card so I am considering previous gen cards, given the disappoint of the new Generation, and looking at a 6800 or 6800XT, maybe a 6950XT, at the right price, and put the savings towards a RTX 5000 or RX8000 card.

 

[dave28]

seems to be similar performance to a 3080 but 200w instead a 320w

should be cheaper but that is how things have gone

i guess its worth it in todays market, gpus dont come cheap anymore

 

[Sgt_Major]

The same was said about Turing V1, but Turing V2 was a much better generation because the first version sold poorly. There is plenty of space for Nvidia to relaunch the series with Super models in six months time. Nvidia is sitting on over $5 billion of inventory and relatively poor sales. This is not even considering if any new AMD launches change tiers. Don't believe social media echo chambers - this is a buyers market.

Also you had some chances to upgrade. RX6700XT cards could be had for close to £325 recently and that should be nearly double the performance of a GTX1070. The GTX1070 still gets £100 to £150 secondhand.

Exactly, people seem to totally forget the fact that the 4080 is MASSIVELY cut down from the 4090, and even then 4090 is cut down a lot from the full die. There is a HUUUGE space there for them to literally push everything up 1-2 tiers and just add SUPER to the name and adjust pricing and BAM, the flood gates would be unable to be closed once the stock started flowing out. Because thats all anyone, everyone, is bloody waiting for, non gimped cards, with top tier performance at fair pricing, is that just too much to ask?, after one the biggest generational node shrinks ever performance gains wise?....

 

[gpuerrilla]

seems to be similar performance to a 3080 but 200w instead a 320w

should be cheaper but that is how things have gone

i guess its worth it in todays market, gpus dont come cheap anymore

People have been undervolting the 3080's for years, I would be surprised its anywhere near 320w when using this tweak. Certainly not worth parting with £600 just to shave off 50 more watts.

 

[Ayahuasca]

People have been undervolting the 3080's for years, I would be surprised its anywhere near 320w when using this tweak. Certainly not worth parting with £600 just to shave off 50 more watts.

It's great that people can do this but also important to remember that it's a tiny percentage of users who even touch overclocking software so stock vs stock will always be the fairer comparison.

 

[PaulW]

Am i mad or sensible. i wanted to get the latest and greatest but have been pretty down hearted with the Nvidia GPUs. i've not built a new PC in ten years and i need a new rig. i have been debating which to get. should i get a 4080 / 4090. i do a lot of 3d work so i finally decided on going with a 7800X3d + a 4090 with a AM5 x670 mobo and 64gb or ram. But, now the 4070 is out i could maybe not buy the 4090, get a 4070 with all the latest other hardware and wait for the 5000 series and replace then and sell the 4070. the build is currently at about £3.3k but getting a 4070 puts it at about 2k and would save me £1,150.99 that i could put to a PTX 5090 / PTX 5080. Which will no doubt have better DP 2.0 connectors for future prooifing.

so Am i mad or cunning as a fox, who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

 

[Aretak]

Am i mad or sensible. i wanted to get the latest and greatest but have been pretty down hearted with the Nvidia GPUs. i've not built a new PC in ten years and i need a new rig. i have been debating which to get. should i get a 4080 / 4090. i do a lot of 3d work so i finally decided on going with a 7800X3d + a 4090 with a AM5 x670 mobo and 64gb or ram. But, now the 4070 is out i could maybe not buy the 4090, get a 4070 with all the latest other hardware and wait for the 5000 series and replace then and sell the 4070. the build is currently at about £3.3k but getting a 4070 puts it at about 2k and would save me £1,150.99 that i could put to a PTX 5090 / PTX 5080. Which will no doubt have better DP connectors for future prooifing.

so Am i mad or cunning as a fox, who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University?

I really don't understand that line of thinking when the theoretical cards you're dreaming of are at least 18 months away. If you feel you can get by just fine for a whole 18 months with a 4070, why do you want a 90-class card anyway? Do you not expect to have any important work to do in the next year and a half or something? I'm not trying to talk you into buying a 4090 by any means, but you either need that kind of power or you don't. If a 4070 isn't going to cut it for what you want to do, then I don't see how spending the next 18 months struggling with one is quite the cunning strategy you seem to believe it is. Not to mention that the 5000 series might be even more expensive. Would anybody be even slightly shocked if it was? At that point you've kicked the can down the road, spent £600, struggled with a crap card for 18 months and ended up way paying more for the privilege.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Saved a quite a bit for my new card so I am considering previous gen cards, given the disappoint of the new Generation, and looking at a 6800 or 6800XT, maybe a 6950XT, at the right price, and put the savings towards a RTX 5000 or RX8000 card.

I do think Nvidia and AMD are trying to do a fast one,so they can try and sell their old stock for as much as possible. This was partly what Turing V1 was doing as it came after the last mining boom.

 

[PaulW]

I really don't understand that line of thinking when the theoretical cards you're dreaming of are at least 18 months away. If you feel you can get by just fine for a whole 18 months with a 4070, why do you want a 90-class card anyway? Do you not expect to have any important work to do in the next year and a half or something? I'm not trying to talk you into buying a 4090 by any means, but you either need that kind of power or you don't. If a 4070 isn't going to cut it for what you want to do, then I don't see how spending the next 18 months struggling with one is quite the cunning strategy you seem to believe it is. Not to mention that the 5000 series might be even more expensive. Would anybody be even slightly shocked if it was? At that point you've kicked the can down the road, spent £600, struggled with a **** card for 18 months and ended up way paying more for the privilege.

Ok thanks, i didn't realise they were 2 years away sorry. thanks for your thoughts