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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Sgt_Major said:
Hope you are happy to upgrade for £800-1000 next gen when you realise in a year or so you need more than 12gb of Vram for modern gaming @1440p, its already at this moment being consumed 100% in recent releases, so before end of 2023 its dial down those settings, £600 well spent lol...Sad that you waited all that time, only to cave to the worst possible product out of them all....at least if you are going to get ripped a new A hole over the price/value, pick a product that is going to last more than 12 months....
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What would your advice have been?
I am not kidding myself that I'm getting a top of the range card, so happy to dial down settings whenever, just not as much as I have to on the GTX 1080 I hope!
 
Gati said:
Arrogants in assuming you know best for someone else is also a trait of a fool.
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IMO the only people who know what is a good buy at the moment are those people working for AMD who know the specs, performance, price etc of the AMD 7800xt and if FSR3 will work on AMD 6000 series and if so how well. The 7800xt could perform better, at a cheaper price and with more vram than the 4070. The 6700xt/6800/xt/6900xt/6950xt are all good cards for their current prices, if they get FSR3 I am sure most owners will get more performance than they imagined they ever would when they bought them. However, this is an if at the moment and we shall have to wait and see. Imagine though the praise that AMD could get for making FSR3 work on previous generation cards while Nvidia locks DLSS3 to 4000 series
 
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Sgt_Major said:
Hope you are happy to upgrade for £800-1000 next gen when you realise in a year or so you need more than 12gb of Vram for modern gaming @1440p, its already at this moment being consumed 100% in recent releases, so before end of 2023 its dial down those settings, £600 well spent lol...Sad that you waited all that time, only to cave to the worst possible product out of them all....at least if you are going to get ripped a new A hole over the price/value, pick a product that is going to last more than 12 months....
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Thats my main worry also and why I wouldn't go for a card with less than 16GB. I want a card thats going to last longer than until to next batch of UE5 games are released.
Hoping for the 7900XT to lower a bit more, If it was to drop another £100 i'd take one. Failing that, hopefully the 7800XT delivers with decent specs and performance...
 
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Ayahuasca said:
Who put 50p in Sgt_Major? Fella seems deeply triggered that people are buying 4070's.
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I'm not triggered, people are free to do as they please with their $$$. But I will comment when I see people make terrible purchasing choices, which then go on to impact the market for the rest of us. At some point the general population have to be held accountable for prices being where they are, they keep swallowing what Nvidia gives them, round and round we go with poor value, stagnation and increasing prices gen on gen.
 
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I have been looking at cards in terms of longevity and then performance, as the fastest now, may not be the fastest in the future, i.e. 3070 and 6800XT.

Looking at Nvidia cards being seeing then as cost per year and possible length of use, for 1440p, and 4K in a few years.
  • 4070 at £580, say 3 years use, £193 a year.
  • 4080 at £110, say 6 years uses, as of more VRAM and larger Memory Bus, £183 a year.
I am a bit more pesimistic on the 4070 as I do not see 12GB VRAM and a 192 Bit bus lasting more than this given that already many new games are hitting 12GB VRAM.
 
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zebsmattz said:
What would your advice have been?
I am not kidding myself that I'm getting a top of the range card, so happy to dial down settings whenever, just not as much as I have to on the GTX 1080 I hope!
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6800xt, 6950xt or perhaps a interim 6800 for much less and wait till next gen, or just wait...anything was the better choice IMO.
 
Take your points about VRAM, but I nearly bought a 3070 (8GB I believe?) so at least the 4070 is rather better than that - and "only" £100 more.
What are NVidia and partners going to do with all the 3070 and 3080 stock they have? Surely they need to sell those off PDQ
 
I'm actually quite happy that the card I purchased 2.5 years ago for £650 is still faster than a £600 newly released card today, Just goes to show how good a 3080 was.

Its now starting to struggle to VRAM on the newer titles but I've had good use out of it whereas the newer similarly priced cards are already encountering issues from day one.
 
Sgt_Major said:
I'm not triggered, people are free to do as they please with their $$$. But I will comment when I see people make terrible purchasing choices, which then go on to impact the market for the rest of us. At some point the general population have to be held accountable for prices being where they are, they keep swallowing what Nvidia gives them, round and round we go with poor value, stagnation and increasing prices gen on gen.
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You aren't just commenting on it, you're insulting other posters and have the typical holier than thou attitude as if you've never overpaid for a product you're getting in your life.

If you want to play Mr. Perfect that's fine but don't pretend you're actually making a difference posting this guff. We've seen these kind of arguments on this forum for years and look where we are now.
 
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Nexus18 said:
Still doesn't answer my question :D :p

Why not go with rdna 3 instead of ada? Do you use/prefer dlss? Do you use cuda? Do you use/prefer the Rt grunt? Do you use/prefer shadowplay?

Again not trying to wind up, just genuinely curious.
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Don't have a problem using either, but Is preferring NV over AMD not good enough?

1. New gen toy at a more sensible price(that rules AMD out)
2. Testing new features instead of using YT views before jumping in both feet with an pro/negative opinion
3. Since it's slower at 4K, comparing it v a 3080 to see whether the bus or the wheels fall off first.
4. Reduced heat in summer gaming.
 
Just to add, if Nvidia or board partners had reduced the 3080 to say £500 in the last 6 months, I'd have probably bought one.
Surely selling those off 30xx cards first would have been sensible.
But maybe I am a bit naive about the VRAM requirements of new games.
 
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Don't have a problem using either, but Is preferring NV over AMD not good enough?

1. New gen toy at a more sensible price(that rules AMD out)
2. Testing new features instead of using YT views before jumping in both feet with an pro/negative opinion
3. Since it's slower at 4K, comparing it v a 3080 to see whether the bus or the wheels fall off first.
4. Reduced heat in summer gaming.
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I know a lot is getting made about the better power efficiency vs a 3080 but if you undervolt a 3080 to 200w is only loses 5% which puts it right around a 4070 in terms of performance and efficiency.
 
Ayahuasca said:
You aren't just commenting on it, you're insulting other posters and have the typical holier than thou attitude as if you've never overpaid for a product you're getting in your life.

If you want to play Mr. Perfect that's fine but don't pretend you're actually making a difference posting this guff. We've seen these kind of arguments on this forum for years and look where we are now.
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Insult?, you mean criticizing someones buying decision, that's my given right of opinion, especially in open forum with others who also choose to take part in open forum. Perhaps people need to grow a spine and stop being so sensitive, either that or lock yourself away where no ones words/opinions can hurt your feelings. ;)
 
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Sgt_Major said:
Insult?, you mean criticizing someones buying decision, that's my given right of opinion, especially in open forum with others who also choose to take part in open forum. Perhaps people need to grow a spine and stop being so sensitive, either that or lock yourself away where no ones words/opinions can hurt your feelings. ;)
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Directly calling people fools for buying something they want/need at the moment isn't just criticism.

I haven't even bought a 4070 either, I just find your attitude towards posters who have, stinks.

They've bought the card now anyway so doing some crystal ball stuff on how 12gb VRAM won't be enough for their gaming needs next year is pointless. If 16gb cards are going to be the minimum for the majority of use cases within a year then that's a monumental market shift that we've never seen before.
 
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Ayahuasca said:
Directly calling people fools for buying something they want/need at the moment isn't just criticism.

I haven't even bought a 4070 either, I just find your attitude towards posters who have, stinks.

They've bought the card now anyway so doing some crystal ball stuff on how 12gb VRAM won't be enough for their gaming needs next year is pointless. If 16gb cards are going to be the minimum for the majority of use cases within a year then that's a monumental market shift that we've never seen before.
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Yes, I'm not sure I'm buying the VRAM concerns when you've got consoles on a baseline of between 12-13GB of RAM (of which they have to use for both their system and video RAM). No ones buying a £600 GPU expecting to run ultra settings at 4K, so I'd be very surprised if this GPU can't see out this console generation while comfortably maintaining better performance than what is possible on console.

The fact we're still looking at £600 for a midrange GPU sucks, but for people stuck on 1070/1080 class GPUs there gets a point where you can only wait so long to finally upgrade. I'm undecided but I want to play with these new technologies I've been missing out on like RT, DLSS, the non-gaming GPU accelerated things.
 
Phixsator said:
I didn't know that some people values less ram/performance for more money over more ram/performance for less... Sometimes I am surprised by peoples preferences, then again not really :p. To each his/her own. At current pricing the 4070 and 4070ti should be left alone I would argue though.
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You forget the FOMO of most PCMR. But electronics sales are collapsing to the amount that even Apple is affected. The reality is that the market is entirely down to weak willed PCMR who validate every con these companies pull. Then start shooting the messenger for pointing out it happening. It's like a religion now. It's become a mockery of what PCMR used to stand for when it started decades ago. It's why we have PCMR validating the pay to win and predatory monetisation of so many games. Basically I think some of us should feel lucky to have lived through the true golden age of PCMR.
 
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