AMD don't help themselves though since they had the perfect opportunity to embarrass Nvidia this time around and gain some much needed mindshare in the GPU market but instead of bringing competition they followed Nvidia's strategy of bumping their cards down a tier while also raising prices a tier. Had they released the 7900XTX for £800 and the 7900XT as a 7800XT for £600 then they would have cleaned up and made Nvidia's products look even more ridiculous than they do already.
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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?
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AMD still may surprise us as it has more to again from listening the PC community than Nvidia does.
Also AMD as more to worry about from Intel, than Nvidia, so may become more competitive on price so as not to loose it current market share.
Also AMD as more to worry about from Intel, than Nvidia, so may become more competitive on price so as not to loose it current market share.
We've said that before - all Nvidia would do is reduce prices and then the status quo would be resumed, only with AMD making even less per card.
Caporegime
While you are right that has nothing to do with that toxic mentality.
AMD have in the past been much cheaper than Nvidia equivalents and it made almost no difference to their market share, they did lose revenue, because if you sell 1000 cards at $500 you make $500,000, if you sell 1,100 cards at $400 you made $440,000, if AMD thought they could sell 1500 cards at $400 they would, of course they would.
The trouble is they don't have that confidence.
One more thing, ATI tried to battle Nvidia on the value proposition, its what we all remember them for, fondly, they made good cards much cheaper than Nvidia, ATI ended up on the brink of bankruptcy, AMD bailed them out.
So then why don't you? And all the others who keep going on about nvidia being the big bad etc. and not wanting to support the evil billionaire Jenson....
Surely amd are in a position to provide a viable alternative? If not, then why don't you all go on to amd to improve and compete with nvidia to offer you that option... Maybe it's not nvidia at fault here but amd at fault for not providing that product that people want.... Being ever so slightly cheaper with more vram but worse in a number of other ways is not the answer.
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Caporegime
I'll say this, we had our chance to stop this price creep, i warned of it.
Now its too late, no one is going to war with Nvidia's relentless price creep, its proven not to work, and its our fault.
Now its too late, no one is going to war with Nvidia's relentless price creep, its proven not to work, and its our fault.
Some of us actually did.
But not enough
Also, it's more the people who are always going on about nvidia/Jenson that are the culprits, the ones like yourself usually keep quiet and do just that.
I have had 3x Nvidia and 2x AMD GPUs in the past 3 years. This is for 2x PCs. Currently a 4080 in mine and a 6700XT in my son’s.
I prefer AMD for the much better drivers in how they look, feel and their functionality. I used to be AMD only when they had much better price/perf, but recently they have been almost as bad as NVidia.
Though I do find it ironic people only using Nvidia while being an AMD “fan”. Either practice what you preach, or STFU.
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I prefer AMD for the much better drivers in how they look, feel and their functionality. I used to be AMD only when they had much better price/perf, but recently they have been almost as bad as NVidia.
Though I do find it ironic people only using Nvidia while being an AMD “fan”. Either practice what you preach, or STFU.
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Does anyone else think the rumoured 5888 shader chip could be the RTX 4060 TI, not the RTX 4070?
Also, this chip may well use GDDR6 (GDDR6X seems like pure speculation for xx60 and xx70 class GPUs).
I'm sure this has happened before, that the leakers had no clue what they were looking at, or got it wrong entirely. Didn't they get the specs of the RTX 3000 series completely wrong?
Compare the shader counts for the:
Comparing the RTX 3060 TI shader count of 4864 to the rumoured 5888 shader GPU, we see a similar increase compared to most of the graphics cards above (+21%).
Also, this chip may well use GDDR6 (GDDR6X seems like pure speculation for xx60 and xx70 class GPUs).
I'm sure this has happened before, that the leakers had no clue what they were looking at, or got it wrong entirely. Didn't they get the specs of the RTX 3000 series completely wrong?
Compare the shader counts for the:
- RTX 3070 TI and RTX 4070 TI
- RTX 3080 and RTX 4080
- RTX 3090 and RTX 4090
Comparing the RTX 3060 TI shader count of 4864 to the rumoured 5888 shader GPU, we see a similar increase compared to most of the graphics cards above (+21%).
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It is interesting being on the sidelines of some of the younger ones who are into tech at work (under 20) when they are talking PC stuff, AMD is somewhat known in the CPU space but almost unknown in the GPU space and most swallow the nVidia marketing whole. Buying an AMD GPU has a certain stigma with that age group.
When some of them found out myself and one of the other guys about my age have mid-range or better 3000 series cards (this was before 4000 series launched) you literally saw their jaws drop as they only dream of affording them (mostly they work part time/weekends while at college).
Part of the reason this places has a relatively high AMD fan base is due to a couple of the older pro-AMD regular members went recruiting on pro-AMD boards/Twitter a few years back to try and silence/trash myself and some others because they didn't like what we were posting LOL.
So, I think there's kind of a dumb assumption by tech journalists that the 'leaked' GPU specs must be the RTX 4070, because it has the same shader count as the RTX 3070.
I've compared the shader counts of successor cards in the same tier to previous generations, so far it's an unbroken rule that it always increases (looking at 4 previous generations).
I've compared the shader counts of successor cards in the same tier to previous generations, so far it's an unbroken rule that it always increases (looking at 4 previous generations).
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Agreed. I much prefer the look of AMD drivers. Nvidia ones look like from windows xp days. I also used to prefer AMD overall as they offered much better price for performance. But these days they lost the plot in my opinion.
As for the rest of your post, could not have said it better myself. Just need the user @Bizarre to give my post a like
To get back on topic...
I'm thinking that the RTX 4070 will compare quite well with the RTX 3080 10GB (not saying it will be considered an upgrade though, more a rival).
I think it's pretty likely to be a bit ahead in FP32 processing power (TFlops) because of the higher clock rate and likely boost in shader count (relative to the RTX 3070). The pixel rate and texture rate should be a bit higher too. We already know it will have lower memory bandwidth than the RTX 3080, due to the specs of the RTX 4070 TI. But it should have increased L2 cache like the TI also.
I'm thinking that the RTX 4070 will compare quite well with the RTX 3080 10GB (not saying it will be considered an upgrade though, more a rival).
I think it's pretty likely to be a bit ahead in FP32 processing power (TFlops) because of the higher clock rate and likely boost in shader count (relative to the RTX 3070). The pixel rate and texture rate should be a bit higher too. We already know it will have lower memory bandwidth than the RTX 3080, due to the specs of the RTX 4070 TI. But it should have increased L2 cache like the TI also.
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Caporegime
This is nonsensical, there is nothing ironic about it, you're simply wrong.
I Buy what suits me best at the time. I don't tie myself to one brand or the other.
Not everyone who thinks Nvidia have been pushing price hikes over the last few years does that because they are in some sort of cult representing another brand, to assume that is incredibly petulant. Not to mention defensive.
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Caporegime
Things like this are far too often used as a blanket accusation (by both sides) to try and get people discredited or just to shut up because they know they are losing the argument.
Its incredibly cancerous, its what causes most of the angry posts on this forum, some people even do it purposely to wind others up, like the two accounts i have on my ignore list.
It shouldn't matter who or what you think they are, it changes nothing, its irrelevant, if they are worng make your arguments, if you're incapable of doing that polity bow out.
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Which just so happens to be Nvidia for you then? In which case, why not go on to amd and lisa to make better products so that you can get away from Nvidia?
Pot kettle black....
youj best watch out or you will be #3 on his list!
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