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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Do you think that maybe some people are overreacting just a tad. That's what people tend to do on forums + lots of venting frustration.

Pre-empt things without a good source of information then assume the worst.

Does £750 as the baseline (reference model) cost seem even remotely likely?

I don't think these predictions ever take into account EU/UK pricing, with all the VAT we are required to pay. Their audience is mostly US citizens.

It would get destroyed by 1 or more cheaper cards from AMD.

I'd say £650 would be the worst case, e.g same price as the RTX 3080 FE when it was available.

If the third party models cost £100 more, don't buy. Easy peasy.
 
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Armageus said:
Do you two have to keep digging this up at every opportunity?

I'd hate to see another thread closed over the vram argument
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Wouldn't say we were "digging it up" tbh given the trend of discussion before hand was about vram.




Whilst it is banter, at the same time, it is a perfectly valid point though in all seriousness, people keep banging on about how nvidia are doing them over so badly yet those same people keep buying nvidia.... :confused: Why not vote with your wallet and buy from amd, they are providing everything people want/care about i.e. cheaper and more vram. Is it really nvidias problem if they provide a more premium/better product "overall" and people keep supporting their methods by buying said products? Seems to me more like a user base/customer problem.....
 
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Nexus18 said:
Wouldn't say we were "digging it up" tbh given the trend of discussion before hand was about vram.




Whilst it is banter, at the same time, it is a perfectly valid point though in all seriousness, people keep banging on about how nvidia are doing them over so badly yet those same people keep buying nvidia.... :confused: Why not vote with your wallet and buy from amd, they are providing everything people want/care about i.e. cheaper and more vram. Is it really nvidias problem if they provide a more premium/better product "overall" and people keep supporting their methods by buying said products? Seems to me more like a user base/customer problem.....
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Nvidia do make good products, the 4090 is excellent, the 4080 is also, but the 4070 Ti is debatable, but the specs for the 4070, does not make it premium or better, in comparison the 3070 Ti or more comparable the 3080 are better overall products.

When it comes to price though, other than the 4090, Nvidia have gotten excessive, and yes people can vote with there wallets and this is happening given that, other than the 4090, the other 4000 series cards stayed on the shelves and never sold out, even on release day.

Consumers accept that products will go up in price but they will not accept unreasonable increases and here is the problem, Nvidia has looked at what each 4000 cards performance is comparable to, in the 3000 series, and then using that as the pricing, i.e 3090 pricing on a 4080 or 3080 pricing on a 4070 Ti, where as consumers expected pricing to follow, convention of, model type, 4080 to 3080.

Nvidia can change its mind on how it prices it GPU's and specs them but it has to accept that consumers will change to.
 
1. We don't know the specs of the RTX 4070
2. We don't know the price
3. April release seems likely, probably will be confirmed by Nvidia soon.

I wonder what people would pay for an RTX 4070 TI like card, with 12GB of GDDR6 instead? It's notable that Nvidia are still using GDDR6 for the entire 4000 series mobile lineup.
 
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Nvidia do make good products, the 4090 is excellent, the 4080 is also, but the 4070 Ti is debatable, but the specs for the 4070, does not make it premium or better, in comparison the 3070 Ti or more comparable the 3080 are better overall products.

When it comes to price though, other than the 4090, Nvidia have gotten excessive, and yes people can vote with there wallets and this is happening given that, other than the 4090, the other 4000 series cards stayed on the shelves and never sold out, even on release day.

Consumers accept that products will go up in price but they will not accept unreasonable increases and here is the problem, Nvidia has looked at what each 4000 cards performance is comparable to, in the 3000 series, and then using that as the pricing, i.e 3090 pricing on a 4080 or 3080 pricing on a 4070 Ti, where as consumers expected pricing to follow, convention of, model type, 4080 to 3080.

Nvidia can change its mind on how it prices it GPU's and specs them but it has to accept that consumers will change to.
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Well time will tell come next financial market results and also steam survey (obviously not the be all but does give a good insight as to the trend of the market). No doubt, both ada and rdna 3 will be abysmal compared to ampere and rdna 2.

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1. We don't know the specs of the RTX 4070
2. We don't know the price
3. April release seems likely, probably will be confirmed by Nvidia soon.
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And to add, we don't know what amds competing card will be like for performance or price either, although even if it is bad/worse than nvidias option, it won't get the same attention.... :p ;)
 
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RX570.? if so that was my last AMD GPU as well.
I bought it for £60 from Facebook marketplace just to have HDMI 2.0 out in my HTPC.
Sold it somewhere in the middle of mining craze to my mate for £50 but could get probably 3x that if I have put it on eBay.
He is still using it with his i5 2500K that he never overclocked lol.
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Thats the one X570 is my motherboard i got now. I go for Nvidia cards now and think it best to wait and see what the 50 series cards like next. I dont think it worth upgrading from a 2080ti to anything at the moment especially Nvidia until the 50 series cards as the upgrade price seems a bit much to what you gain.
 
I'm starting to wonder if high memory bandwidth cards are worth the money. Pretty much all cards with 512GB/s or more memory bandwidth have been expensive. Like the RTX 3070 TI, RTX 3080 and RTX 4070 TI. Also high end RDNA2+3 cards.

Basically, GDDR6 doesn't provide enough bandwidth (at least the standard type doesn't), AMD has tried to work around this problem with infinity cache.
 
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I'd be pretty chuffed to get a card like that for £500 (coming from someone who was happy to pay £470 for an RTX 3070 8GB).
 
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g67575 said:
I'm starting to wonder if high bandwidth cards are worth the money. Pretty much all cards with 512GB/s or more memory bandwidth have been expensive. Like the RTX 3070 TI, RTX 3080 and RTX 4070 TI.

Basically, GDDR6 doesn't provide enough bandwidth (at least the standard type doesn't), AMD has tried to work around this problem with infinity cache.
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It depends on whether you have a 4K monitor, or plan on buying one, that's when a 256bit or higher memory bus and more VRAM come into there own. The 4070 Ti in the more demanding games, Hogwarts Legacy, the most recent example, struggles, whereas the Intel A770 16GB, had less FPS, but had no stuttering other issues as had a larger bus and more VRAM.

Even in 1440p the 4070 Ti can come close to its limits, in some games.
 
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It depends on whether you have a 4K monitor, or plan on buying one, that's when a 256bit or higher memory bus and more VRAM come into there own. The 4070 Ti in the more demanding games, Hogwarts Legacy, the most recent example, struggles, whereas the Intel A770 16GB, had less FPS, but had no stuttering other issues as had a larger bus and more VRAM.

Even in 1440p the 4070 Ti can come close to its limits, in some games.
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Even if you do, 1440p looks good in the vast majority of games on a 4K or 1440p display. And you might be able to play at 4K anyway, for example the Witcher 3 used to play extremely well on an RTX 3070. Probably still plays OK, with the latest GFX updates too.

Maybe 4K (native) isn't going to be affordable, until GDDR7 (or better) becomes widespread.
 
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Joxeon said:
£400?
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I need a decent x070 class card at a £500 price point. Can't be cut down that much or it becomes x060 class. I also expect a generational compute increase without them trying to price match it to the compute power provided by the previous generation. So pricing the 4070 at 3080 prices OR MORE because the compute power is equivalent is not acceptable.
 
I think we will probably see the RTX 4070 TI reduced to £700 when AMD releases new cards.

Particularly because this card has 'only' 504GB/s of memory bandwidth. Could easily be outpaced by RDNA3 cards with more bandwidth, at this price point (considering that the RX 7900 XT has 800 GB/s memory bandwidth, with 20gbps GDDR6).

EDIT- Angstronomics says that Navi32 will use a 256bit memory bus, which would only get them to 512GB/s assuming 20gbps GDDR6. Link:
www.angstronomics.com

AMD's RDNA 3 Graphics

3rd time's the charm?
www.angstronomics.com www.angstronomics.com

So, AMD would need a cut down Navi31 chip with the same memory config to gain a memory bandwidth advantage over the RTX 4070 TI.
 
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g67575 said:
Even if you do, 1440p looks good in the vast majority of games on a 4K or 1440p display. And you might be able to play at 4K anyway, for example the Witcher 3 used to play extremely well on an RTX 3070. Probably still plays OK, with the latest GFX updates too.

Maybe 4K (native) isn't going to be affordable, until GDDR7 (or better) becomes widespread.
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I would agree that at 1440p the 4070 TI looks good in most games but many people, including myself, by cards for the long term, 5 years plus, and if the 4070 Ti is close to the limit at launch will it stand up to 5 years,and that is where my main issue is, if I spend £700-£800 on a GPU, will it last.

Currently, I have a GTX 1070, which has 8GB VRAM and a 256 bit bus, at 7 years old, and it has served me well but I do not have the confidence in the 4070 or 4070 Ti that they will last as long.
 
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I wonder what people would pay for an RTX 4070 TI like card, with 12GB of GDDR6 instead? It's notable that Nvidia are still using GDDR6 for the entire 4000 series mobile lineup.
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4070ti might be a tad quick for it (given narrow bus), but the 4070 would seem to be a great fit for GDDR6. It's nicer when components are balanced so you don't feel like you're paying more ($ or W) for less optimal performance.
 
g67575 said:
I think we will probably see the RTX 4070 TI reduced to £700 when AMD releases new cards.

Particularly because this card has 'only' 504GB/s of memory bandwidth. Could easily be outpaced by RDNA3 cards with more bandwidth, at this price point (considering that the RX 7900 XT has 800 GB/s memory bandwidth, with 20gbps GDDR6).

EDIT- Angstronomics says that Navi32 will use a 256bit memory bus, which would only get them to 512GB/s assuming 20gbps GDDR6. Link:
www.angstronomics.com

AMD's RDNA 3 Graphics

3rd time's the charm?
www.angstronomics.com www.angstronomics.com

So, AMD would need a cut down Navi31 chip with the same memory config to gain a memory bandwidth advantage over the RTX 4070 TI.
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512 is still > 504 so 256bit bus is enough for Navi 32 to have a (small) advantage over 4070ti.
 
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