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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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Joxeon said:
In terms of performance £369 last gen got you between a 2080 super and 2080ti while £469 matched a 2080ti so for £500+ then you'd really be expecting the card to beat a 3090ti.
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Sure. But I think we also need to keep expectations somewhat realistic. They ain't going to go from one end to the scale to the other. Also I am not sure your expectations are taking inflation, extra R&D and wafer cost into account.

£499 would be fair and would sell very well imo.
 
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Kind of get the impression that memory bandwidth won't be a significant problem anymore (at least for 4K resolution), when GDDR7 is included with GFX cards.

For example a 384bit bus + 36gbps GDDR7 will result in bandwidths of 1300GB/s.
 
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tommybhoy said:
No disrespect to you, but the constant amount of 'banter' I'd call it gaslighting I received from those two </snip>

Thanks for noticing and listening.:)
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Rather optimistic but will give the benefit of the doubt.

The 4070 is still priced high but cards normally release high before settling - at least they did a couple of gens ago.
 
Joxeon said:
In terms of performance £369 last gen got you between a 2080 super and 2080ti while £469 matched a 2080ti so for £500+ then you'd really be expecting the card to beat a 3090ti.
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Agree. As time kicks on though and stock isnt flying off shelves we can only assume price adjustments might kick in, I mean the 30 series stock cant last forever can it?

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g67575 said:
Kind of get the impression that memory bandwidth won't be a significant problem anymore (at least for 4K resolution), when GDDR7 is included with GFX cards.

For example a 384bit bus + 36gbps GDDR7 will result in bandwidths of 1300GB/s.
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36gb vram got to cost at least £3600
 
g67575 said:
Kind of get the impression that memory bandwidth won't be a significant problem anymore (at least for 4K resolution), when GDDR7 is included with GFX cards.

For example a 384bit bus + 36gbps GDDR7 will result in bandwidths of 1300GB/s.
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They'll just shrink the bus further. I mean, I would have said you were bonkers if you said you could buy a GPU for £1000 that had a 192-bit mem bus but here we are.
 
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g67575 said:
Do you think that maybe some people are overreacting just a tad. That's what people tend to do on forums + lots of venting frustration.

Pre-empt things without a good source of information then assume the worst.

Does £750 as the baseline (reference model) cost seem even remotely likely?

I don't think these predictions ever take into account EU/UK pricing, with all the VAT we are required to pay. Their audience is mostly US citizens.

It would get destroyed by 1 or more cheaper cards from AMD.

I'd say £650 would be the worst case, e.g same price as the RTX 3080 FE when it was available.

If the third party models cost £100 more, don't buy. Easy peasy.
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Is that copium you're on?

RTX 4080: £1300
RTX 4070Ti: £900

So what makes you think £650 would be worst case for the 4070?
 
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Anything more than £600 would make it by far the most expensive xx70 teir card (Not TI) that Nvidia have ever released, even when taking inflation into account.

There's always an optimum amount of products to produce, for the price they are sold at (higher price is not always optimal for profit).

Nvidia doesn't have to deal with the same economic problems that the previous generation faced.

There's a certain amount of 'cope' involved in always assuming the worst ;)
 
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g67575 said:
Anything more than £600 would make it by far the most expensive xx70 teir card (Not TI) that Nvidia have ever released.

Nvidia doesn't have to deal with the same economic problems that the previous generation faced.
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Yeah, just the latest in a long line of that...

GTX 970: $329
GTX 1070: $379
RTX 2070: $499
RTX 3070: $499

Its only from the 2000 series to the 3000 series that it didn't go up. look at the 1000 series to the 2000 series, that's a 32% jump in price.
So, RTX 3070: $499 vs RTX 4070: $749 is a 50% jump, i said i think it will be $699, that's a 40% jump.
Here is why, RTX 3080 $699, RTX 4080 $1199. +71%, RTX 3070Ti $599, RTX 4070Ti $799, +34%.

Nvidia have history of more than 30% from one gen to the next, and as much as more than 70%.
I could be anything, but is likely to be at least 30%.
 
Hotwired said:
Cultivating language variety by banning the laziest words to describe bad cards.
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The English language is beautifully complex, the same word can have multiple different meanings depending on how the sentence around it is constructed, its one of the reasons we are so good at humour, a single sentence can tell a whole story with a punchline through innuendo of what is missing, and a single word can be as powerful as a thousand.
 
g67575 said:
Anything more than £600 would make it by far the most expensive xx70 teir card (Not TI) that Nvidia have ever released, even when taking inflation into account.
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Well the 4070ti is already the most expensive xx70TI level card with a $200 increase in MSRP over the 3070TI so why not assume the 4070 will be $250 dollars more than the 3070?
Maybe it is 'only' going to be a $200 increase with the 4070 coming in at $700. The rumour did say that cards over $750 will have to wait untill the 13th for the review embargo to be lifted. Perhaps Nvidia are going to give AIB's a $50 leeway. Who knows? All I know is I'm not daft enough to buy one!
 
Haz123 said:
If AMD were clever they should launch the 7800xt (or whatever they call the next card down in their tier list) at £500 and make bank. If they care about market share they could snatch 20% back with a well priced product and make friends with the new 4870 for this generation. Unlikely to happen because AMD are adopting their own special pricing strategy and that confuses me as well, it is almost as if they do not want to sell gpus.
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I don't think a lot of people here realise just how heavily disliked AMD GPUs are in the wider PC gaming community. For all the complaining, this is probably one of the most balanced places on the entire internet when it comes to GPU discussion. AMD gets far more love here than on, say, Reddit and subs like r/hardware or r/pcgaming. Mentioning an AMD GPU in places like that will rain down a torrent of Nvidia fanaticism upon your head, as they ramble on about "features" and ray tracing and DLSS and how they owned an AMD card once in 2009 and had a driver problem so would never touch them again. Their name is dirt amongst Nvidia owners. I saw a highly-upvoted post on Reddit just the other day where someone said that an AMD card would need to be both faster and half the price for them to even consider buying one. The reasoning being that the Nvidia experience is just so much better and drivers and software and blah blah blah you know the talking points. It's honestly not surprising to me that AMD seem to have somewhat given up on the discrete GPU business, or at least trying to win market share from Nvidia through aggressive pricing. RDNA 3 felt like a half-hearted effort, just pushed out there for those people who really do want an AMD card and in the knowledge it won't lure people from Team Green. Someone from AMD pretty much said in an interview the other day they didn't bother even trying to make a 4090 competitor, and that was likely a smart move if we're being honest. AMD is the budget brand, not the boutique one (another paraphrased Reddit post).

Jensen has the dGPU market by the balls and he knows it. Nvidia's mindshare is Apple-esque. Pay his ridiculous prices now or pay them later once you're desperate enough is the message. History suggests he'll win the staring contest eventually.
 
Aretak said:
I don't think a lot of people here realise just how heavily disliked AMD GPUs are in the wider PC gaming community. For all the complaining, this is probably one of the most balanced places on the entire internet when it comes to GPU discussion. AMD gets far more love here than on, say, Reddit and subs like r/hardware or r/pcgaming. Mentioning an AMD GPU in places like that will rain down a torrent of Nvidia fanaticism upon your head, as they ramble on about "features" and ray tracing and DLSS and how they owned an AMD card once in 2009 and had a driver problem so would never touch them again. Their name is dirt amongst Nvidia owners. I saw a highly-upvoted post on Reddit just the other day where someone said that an AMD card would need to be both faster and half the price for them to even consider buying one. The reasoning being that the Nvidia experience is just so much better and drivers and software and blah blah blah you know the talking points. It's honestly not surprising to me that AMD seem to have somewhat given up on the discrete GPU business, or at least trying to win market share from Nvidia through aggressive pricing. RDNA 3 felt like a half-hearted effort, just pushed out there for those people who really do want an AMD card and in the knowledge it won't lure people from Team Green. Someone from AMD pretty much said in an interview the other day they didn't bother even trying to make a 4090 competitor, and that was likely a smart move if we're being honest. AMD is the budget brand, not the boutique one (another paraphrased Reddit post).

Jensen has the dGPU market by the balls and he knows it. Nvidia's mindshare is Apple-esque. Pay his ridiculous prices now or pay them later once you're desperate enough is the message. History suggests he'll win the staring contest eventually.
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Despite this so far as most mainstream reviewers are concerned there are always "AMD Fanboys" while Nvidia's Followers? Are rarely mentioned in that vain.

Because a lot of them have that same mentality and simply see this toxic behaviour as a truth and AMD's Followers? as defensive of the brand "Fanboys"

Linus, all credit to him, is currently challenging his ideas on AMD by running nothing but AMD GPU's in all his home systems for a couple of weeks.
 
I have run nothing but Nvidia for a decade, other than a few weeks with an ASRock 5700XT which was only let down by the objectively terrible cooler, if there is anything to be said about that it is that Nvidia would never have allowed one of their GPU's to go on sale with a cooler like that.

GTX 970
GTX 1070
RX 5700XT
RTX 2070 Super

Because so far as i'm concerned the last good GPU AMD made during that time was the R9 290, of which i had one for a couple of years, fantastic GPU.
That was then, now i want to go back to AMD.
 
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