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RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

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The thing is Nvidia saw people were quite happy to pay over £1000 for 80 class GPU's in the covid/crypto boom and not really bat an eyelid so that became their new normal. Prices are not going to go down i'm afraid what with AMD also quite happy to price just a bit below, Nvidia are pleased with that, they think they have the value add with DLSS/RT performance. No 80 class or equivalent in performance will be below £1000 in the future. Sad innit.
 
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The thing is Nvidia saw people were quite happy to pay over £1000 for 80 class GPU's in the covid/crypto boom and not really bat an eyelid so that became their new normal. Prices are not going to go down i'm afraid what with AMD also quite happy to price just a bit below, Nvidia are pleased with that, they think they have the value add with DLSS/RT performance. No 80 class or equivalent in performance will be below £1000 in the future. Sad innit.

But surely they understand that this was because they were money printers?

Hardly anyone was buying one at that price just to play games on, apart from the very desperate.

Most were buying to make bitcoin, scalp, or use and sell on before everything crashed.
 
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Though the 4080 is a little higher gain over the average of previous jumps from last gen x80 to next gen x70 you have to go to the 4080 really to get anything like the generation on generation gain you'd expect in a x70 class - at over twice the price... in this day and age I expect things to be a little more expensive but that is just taking the mick but unfortunately people enable it by buying - and it isn't going to get any better while people enable it (sure there are some unfortunate realities if you need a GPU, etc. :( ).
If we go by the past 10 years according to TPU database then the the 4080 is towards the lower end of the scale for next gen upgrades.

780ti > 980 +11%
980ti > 1080 +31%
1080ti > 2080 +9%
2080ti > 3080 +39%
3090ti > 4080 +16%

Also looking the trends of how it alternates from a small jump to a big jump over the generations then maybe the 5080 will see a 30% jump over the 4090/4090ti.

Basically don't buy GPUs which start with even numbers.
 
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But surely they understand that this was because they were money printers?

Hardly anyone was buying one at that price just to play games on/scalp/use and sell on, apart from the very desperate.
I know that, you know that, think everyone knows that. But now there is the new plaything, AI. Everyone and their dog is jumping on that and that's the new buzzword to prop up the prices. Nvidia give you just enough to speed up AI calculations on a consumer card and people think they can make money on the new gravy train. Want it a bit quicker, we can upsell you one of our professional cards. Don't think AMD are not doing the same with them releasing RocM drivers for consumer cards to keep their prices propped up. And the punters lap it up.
 
If we go by the past 10 years according to TPU database then the the 4080 is towards the lower end of the scale for next gen upgrades.

780ti > 980 +11%
980ti > 1080 +31%
1080ti > 2080 +9%
2080ti > 3080 +39%
3090ti > 4080 +16%

Also looking the trends of how it alternates from a small jump to a big jump over the generations then maybe the 5080 will see a 30% jump over the 4090/4090ti.

Basically don't buy GPUs which start with even numbers.

That is misleading as not all of those gens are the fully unlocked 102 die like the 3090ti was


The fully unlocked versions of previous gens are:

instead of 1080ti (GP102)

instead of 2080ti (TU102)

slightly different for maxwell but it was GM200, so instead of 980ti
 
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Seems like the RTX 4070 TI could have been better received at £700-£800 if they'd used a cut down AD103 GPU instead.

I'm guessing they didn't do that because the amount of AD103 and AD102 GPUs produced hasn't been particularly high. On the other hand, I bet they can mass produce AD104.

So it all comes down to numbers.

So, I suppose the remedy would eventually be to release a more powerful RTX 4070 (Super) and something in between a RTX 4070 TI and the RTX 4080 (AD103 based - something for marketing to figure out :cry:).

Basically though, a lot of people just don't need to upgrade, which Nvidia would classify as a fall in demand. People who paid a lot for RTX 3080 and RTX 3090s aren't willing to spend the same amount on this generation. If you've got an RTX3090, an RTX 4070 TI probably seems like more of a sidegrade.

From the consumer point of view, you pretty much always get a better upgrade when upgrading to a higher tier GPU die in a new generation (so waiting for another Navi31 GPU is probably a good idea).

Also, I noticed that the RTX 4080 is not the fully fledged AD103 die, so there seems to be room for a TI model there also.

I think lots of people here overate the RTX 4090, simply because it's what's available right now. According to techpowerup's database, it's only around 45% faster than the fastest product from the last gen (RTX 3090 TI), also the increase in RT cores is only ~52%. This would've been fine, but only at a much lower price. It's a very decent upgrade from something like a RTX 3070 /3070 TI though, if you can afford it.
 
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Why not both? I think it's both :cry:

Serves them right too. Should have been no more than £799 that GPU. £749 would have made sense and £699 would have been awesome and sold as fast as they could make them.

Certainly dashed my hopes. I'd planned on buying a 4080 this year, but no way am I going to fork out that much if I can avoid it (and I have so far managed to avoid it!).
 
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Also, I noticed that the RTX 4080 is not the fully fledged AD103 die, so there seems to be room for a TI model there also.
I’d be surprised if they try and use a 103 for the 80ti as those buyers will not accept that.

No one with any sense is going to pay over £1000 for a card built using the second tier die no matter what they name it.
 
I’d be surprised if they try and use a 103 for the 80ti as those buyers will not accept that.

No one with any sense is going to pay over £1000 for a card built using the second tier die no matter what they name it.
Well, some people buy the 4080 for £1200, presumably they'd pay about the same for a faster card.

Another 10% in performance and it wouldn't be much behind the RTX 4090.
 
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Certainly dashed my hopes. I'd planned on buying a 4080 this year, but no way am I going to fork out that much if I can avoid it (and I have so far managed to avoid it!).

Yeah. Won't be hard either as UE5 games won't start coming out regularly until next gen is out anyway.
 
Looks like the 4070 is selling poorly for a new 70 class.

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The thing is Nvidia saw people were quite happy to pay over £1000 for 80 class GPU's in the covid/crypto boom and not really bat an eyelid so that became their new normal. Prices are not going to go down i'm afraid what with AMD also quite happy to price just a bit below, Nvidia are pleased with that, they think they have the value add with DLSS/RT performance. No 80 class or equivalent in performance will be below £1000 in the future. Sad innit.
Prices already are coming down, compared to what else is on the market the 4070 actually offers a good per frame cost, not good historically but still. Nvidia and AMD may want to keep prices, and profits, high however if people ain't buying what they're selling they have no choice but to lower prices.
 
Nvidia simply won't care for the consumer market eventually. They will dump everything into AI instead and as usual AMD being AMD will follow like sheep.

I reckon Chinese markets will overtake what nvidia will leave behind and we'll end up buying predominately chinese gpu's in the future.

Just a thought...
 
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I tend to agree, nvidia are making so much money on AI gaming is less important to them.
Would love for prices to drop but I don't see Nvidia doing that in the short term
 
Prices already are coming down, compared to what else is on the market the 4070 actually offers a good per frame cost, not good historically but still. Nvidia and AMD may want to keep prices, and profits, high however if people ain't buying what they're selling they have no choice but to lower prices.

This. If you end up pricing something beyond what people are willing to pay, you have no choice.

Personally I think the whole range from 4070 to 4080 needs at least a £100 drop. Maybe a couple of decent games thrown in too.
 
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Prices already are coming down, compared to what else is on the market the 4070 actually offers a good per frame cost
The performance is similar to the RX 6800 XT, which is a bit cheaper. The RX 6900 XT is a better card overall, but unfortunately is hard to find in stock now.
 
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