RTX 4070 12GB, is it Worth it?

[Rroff]

Yeah the 4080 would have been accepted with a small bump to FE price and upwards for AIB (£799>) but here we have £1199 and that means the rest of the stack suffered.

I know the maths is going to be different for other people but for me it makes no sense to buy a 4080 and not go the extra few hundred if I'm already paying over a grand and get the 4090, though nVidia seem to be trying to do some BS manipulation like that with the stack to get people opening their wallets more.

Personally I have no problem with the 4090 price and no problem paying it, I just don't have a need for 4090 performance right now.

 

[gpuerrilla]

We went from £650 to £1200 for the 80. The 3070 last gen launched before the Ti, but because of the 'unlaunched' debacle we got the 4070Ti earlier at £800. Complete madness with the stack and pricing but it cant get any worse I guess

 

[Jay85]

We went from £650 to £1200 for the 80. The 3070 last gen launched before the Ti, but because of the 'unlaunched' debacle we got the 4070Ti earlier at £800. Complete madness with the stack and pricing but it cant get any worse I guess

Don't jinx it

 

[robgmun]

I know the maths is going to be different for other people but for me it makes no sense to buy a 4080 and not go the extra few hundred if I'm already paying over a grand and get the 4090, though nVidia seem to be trying to do some BS manipulation like that with the stack to get people opening their wallets more.

Personally I have no problem with the 4090 price and no problem paying it, I just don't have a need for 4090 performance right now.

Yeah the stack is completely skewed

It should be
4080 = £800
4070 Ti = £600
4070 = £500

And that in my mind is what the cards are actually worth. And i won't be paying a penny over that for each of these cards

I would put the following for the rest
4060Ti = £400
4060 = £350

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah the stack is completely skewed

It should be
4080 = £800
4070 Ti = £600
4070 = £500

And that in my mind is what the cards are actually worth. And i won't be paying a penny over that for each of these cards

I would put the following for the rest
4060Ti = £400
4060 = £350

I would make an argument the RTX4070 is not even worth £500. It is 40% faster than an RTX3060TI for 60% more money! The RTX3060TI was 40% faster than an RTX2060 Super for similar money. The RTX2060 Super was 35% faster than the GTX1070 for slightly more money.

The RTX4070 should be priced the same as the RTX3070 as a minimum. Even then that is only a 25% extra improvement in performance for the same price.

Even the RTX4070TI at £600 looks better because the RTX3070TI was barely faster than an RTX3070 for a lot more money. But at least it would be decently faster than it for similar money.

 

[Sgt_Major]

Lets not kid ourselves, the 4090 is cut down, and could have easily seen a 10-12 increase in cores.

The 4080 is what the 4070ti should have been, with clear space below it for the current 4070ti to be a 4070 matching 3090ti performance, which would make perfect sense given the node shrink advantage from 3000 to 4000 series. Then leaving the current **** show 4070 breathing room to be a solid 4060ti, which although would be nice with 16gb ram, would be more tollerable with 12gb if priced right.

If I had my way the stack would have looked something like this...


***Space for 4090ti 24gb>>£1799***
4090 24gb>>£1599
***Space for 4080ti 24gb>>£1199***
***New 4080 24gb>>£999***
Current 4080 becomes 4070ti 16gb>> £799
Current 4070ti becomes 4070 16gb>>649
Current 4070 becomes 4060ti 12gb>>£499
The future 4060 12gb>>£389

Everyone is happy.

 

[Rroff]

Lets not kid ourselves, the 4090 is cut down, and could have easily seen a 10-12 increase in cores.

The top end cards are almost always slightly down on the possible top silicon sometimes to leave space for an ultra/ti - but the 4090 at least is a decent step forward in performance and reasonably specced unlike the lower stack where nVidia was too cheap to even put 16GB on the 4070ti, etc.

 

[Sgt_Major]

The top end cards are almost always slightly down on the possible top silicon sometimes to leave space for an ultra/ti - but the 4090 at least is a decent step forward in performance and reasonably specced unlike the lower stack where nVidia was too cheap to even put 16GB on the 4070ti, etc.

That's why above I included an 4090ti cause there is plenty room above the 4090 for it, the new 4080ti would sit 15% below current 4090 with space below for a new revised true 4080 to sit above current one by a solid 20%.

 

[gpuerrilla]

If I had my way the stack would have looked something like this...
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Everyone is happy.

Yep this is where abouts the price people were kind of expecting (just look at the images a few posts back on previous gen on gen comparison), but to swallow the bs of logistics, packaging, components excusing the price jumps is unheard of. As other online sources are now exposing from pricing, the supply chain is back to pre covid levels and the parts like ram are way cheaper. The only thing I can muster is TSMC shafted Jensen for the node shrink after they pulled the Samsung manoeuvre and the cost of the power connector, cooler unit means some accountants have overegged the pricing somewhat.

 

[Sgt_Major]

Yep this is where abouts the price people were kind of expecting (just look at the images a few posts back on previous gen on gen comparison), but to swallow the bs of logistics, packaging, components excusing the price jumps is unheard of. As other online sources are now exposing from pricing, the supply chain is back to pre covid levels and the parts like ram are way cheaper. The only thing I can muster is TSMC shafted Jensen for the node shrink after they pulled the Samsung manoeuvre and the cost of the power connector, cooler unit means some accountants have overegged the pricing somewhat.

Nah, you giving it too much thought, it's just greed, driven by shareholder increasing profit demands after they tasted that sweet sweet COVID & crypto mining boom revenue spikes, that are clearly unrealistic and unsustainable, but by god Jensen is gonna give it a go!

 

[Rroff]

Yep this is where abouts the price people were kind of expecting (just look at the images a few posts back on previous gen on gen comparison), but to swallow the bs of logistics, packaging, components excusing the price jumps is unheard of. As other online sources are now exposing from pricing, the supply chain is back to pre covid levels and the parts like ram are way cheaper. The only thing I can muster is TSMC shafted Jensen for the node shrink after they pulled the Samsung manoeuvre and the cost of the power connector, cooler unit means some accountants have overegged the pricing somewhat.

Some electronic component prices are quite jacked up still though - in some cases basic resistors which were like £0.01xx are £0.03 to £0.05 and some even gone up to like £0.79 (though usually equivalent parts available at more like old prices if you look around).

As above that isn't really what is driving the current mix of tier shrinkflation and jacking up the price though.

 

[tommybhoy]

Jesun and Lisa were raging aibs/scalpers were getting £1200 for 3080/6800 performance and simply want all that profit in house, however, everything went back to 'normal' and there's an oversupply instead.

 

[ade64]

every time i look at the NVidia store the 4080fe seems to be in stock, either they've got lots of em or they're not selling well, its a pity about the price.

 

[rare]

every time i look at the NVidia store the 4080fe seems to be in stock, either they've got lots of em or they're not selling well, its a pity about the price.

I think it’s been in stock continuously since it launched…

 

[Sgt_Major]

every time i look at the NVidia store the 4080fe seems to be in stock, either they've got lots of em or they're not selling well, its a pity about the price.

Yep, if they were £899 Id have grabbed one.

 

[uscool]

Yep, if they were £899 Id have grabbed one.

dont know if its because its £1199, but I would have bought it for £800-£850 and that would still be an increase of £150-£200 from 3080fe , hopefully the sales are poor and next gen its somewhat corrected

 

[SpellowHouse]

What amazes me is the scalpers are out trying to sell the 4070's on Fleabay when they haven't run out of stock in the shops

 

[TNA]

every time i look at the NVidia store the 4080fe seems to be in stock, either they've got lots of em or they're not selling well, its a pity about the price.

Why not both? I think it's both

Serves them right too. Should have been no more than £799 that GPU. £749 would have made sense and £699 would have been awesome and sold as fast as they could make them.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Why not both? I think it's both

Serves them right too. Should have been no more than £799 that GPU. £749 would have made sense and £699 would have been awesome and sold as fast as they could make them.

Plus they would still made bank,because instead of using a first tier dGPU,they would have gone back to using a second tier one,and still charged more for it.

 

[Jono8]

Lets not kid ourselves, the 4090 is cut down, and could have easily seen a 10-12 increase in cores.

The 4080 is what the 4070ti should have been, with clear space below it for the current 4070ti to be a 4070 matching 3090ti performance, which would make perfect sense given the node shrink advantage from 3000 to 4000 series. Then leaving the current **** show 4070 breathing room to be a solid 4060ti, which although would be nice with 16gb ram, would be more tollerable with 12gb if priced right.

If I had my way the stack would have looked something like this...


***Space for 4090ti 24gb>>£1799***
4090 24gb>>£1599
***Space for 4080ti 24gb>>£1199***
***New 4080 24gb>>£999***
Current 4080 becomes 4070ti 16gb>> £799
Current 4070ti becomes 4070 16gb>>649
Current 4070 becomes 4060ti 12gb>>£499
The future 4060 12gb>>£389

Everyone is happy.

I'd only be happy if the prices were less than that.

The 4070ti should be the 4070 and should be $499 RRP.