Russell Brand.

perhaps you should think before you write - try dealing with points raised by posters instead of popping in here to make generalisations and straw man arguments
 
dowie said:
perhaps you should think before you write - try dealing with points raised by posters instead of popping in here to make generalisations and straw man arguments
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LOL

I am not, what is wrong with bringing peoples attention to the real points instead of squabbling over one bloke ? The point is being so far missed as to be alarming.

I actually posted my thoughts page 2-3 no one answered, everyone insists on discussing him and not the points he makes (indeed the very reason he is in the limelight right now)

I have come to accept a huge percentage of humanity does mostly pointless stuff (such as your 'point') and avoids the real issues, I am obviously curious why - its willful ignorance mixed in with a bunch of people who have become so socially programmed, they dare not think of anything else and mock those that think outside the box.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Not at all sarcastic - you seem to be one of these people obsessed with the man himself, RATHER THAN what he is saying - what do you think about his points?

If you have any form of logic, using common sense and clear thinking, you would have to tend towards agreeing with his points.

No he isnt the 1st person to say it, but he is rapidly becoming heard by everyone, this is the change here.

SO, the banking system in bed with the government and all this 'terrorist' rubbish the leaders are shoving down our throats for their own purposes you think isn't true and you have no thoughts on it?

AGAIN THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE, I am asking you about the points brand is bringing up, I don't care how much money he has, or his hair style, the points he brings up ?

Logic says I have to agree with his points, what say you ?
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I think you need to go back and read what my issues are with Brand. I thought this thread was about discussing him , not the shortcomings of our capatilist society....

I have never said I disagree with everything he says. :confused:
 
Combat squirrel said:
I have come to accept a huge percentage of humanity does mostly pointless stuff (such as your 'point') and avoids the real issues, I am obviously curious why - its willful ignorance mixed in with a bunch of people who have become so socially programmed, they dare not think of anything else and mock those that think outside the box.
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You sound like a 13 year old with his favourite Che Guevara t shirt on.

Cut the silly "you're all programmed sheep" rubbish.
 
Combat squirrel said:
Ironically I just posted dealing this point, you would rather bleat on about Brand and I am not seeing any discussion on the worlds real issues.
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no you haven't - you've just made generalisations and put out a few straw man arguments - the thread *is* about Brand...


while you can chip into the thread and brand everyone daily mail readers and/or attack positions you've made up in your head it might be better if you could understand the criticisms people actually have
 
I think the main divide here is the argument 'RB is raising awareness on some issues'.

If RB brought bankers bonus' / drug policies / issues re political system to your attention then you must live under a rock or not read a newspaper.

Expanding on those, his ideas or suggestions are nothing new and have been debated many times over. He fails to add anything of value imo.

Yes you can't blame a guy for trying but come on. If you are going to harp on about issues as much has he does at least take some time out to come up with at least some suggestions. Remedies such as don't vote, cap or take bonus' away, legalise drugs don't really cut it in the real world and would never work if implemented.

He just uses some catchy soundbites that resonate with his followers. He has no depth to his arguments.

New Housing Estate, give credit where it's due. He obviously helped, but to go as far as it was soley him that saved the day is a bit far fetched.
 
Every single forum I browse has a Russell Brand thread going...and they all pan out the same..

'I agree with Russell and get what he says, look how intelligent I am'

'I disagree with Russell he talks crap, look how intelligent I am.'

What gets me is a lot of the people who agree with him would have scoffed at the ideas he presents should they of come from a regular joe prior to Brands media attention. It really isn't true/valid until it comes from a celebrity it seems...
 
Can't stand him - but not because of the points he makes - it's just the way he is.

He irritates me and makes me uncomfortable - much like a really really really bad bottom rash that just won't go away.

I would also have the same reaction to any person behaving the same way that he does and who spouts the same garbage in the manner that he does. He may have valid points but I don't particularly care because he comes across as an arse and as with most people in my life who act like arses, they get ignored.

What use is an idea if you can't convey it in a meaningful and sensible manner that isn't overly complicated/biased/rational/constructive?
 
You don't need to be a fan or non fan to see positive stuff with RB...

Most of the negative stuff posted in this thread has nothing to do with what he says but all to do with his persona and appearance...
 
easyrider said:
Decide already...You're coming across as an ****:D
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"He spouts garbage" = stuff I have heard is garbage

"He may have valid points" = I haven't heard everything he has to say

Seems pretty simple - no decision to be made either way - I've already said he annoys me and as such I now ignore him.

easyrider said:
You don't need to be a fan or non fan to see positive stuff with RB...

Most of the negative stuff posted in this thread has nothing to do with what he says but all to do with his persona and appearance...
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Exactly. The way in which a person comes across has significant weight behind their message. That's just the way things are in the world. In Brand's case, it seem to work both ways - some people love it, some hate it. I hate it.
 
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