Russian airliner missing over Egypt

[Five.Stars]

What?

Obviously the poster means in a loss of control situation. If the aerodynamic loads massively exceed the limits of the flight envelope then structural failure, including possibly the wings being ripped off, is a distinct possibility.

 

[Tefal]

Think he was merely referring to the fact that mechanical faults do happen, a bit of an extreme example obviously

Working in aviation I've seen first hand stuff just 'falling off', stuff gets old and while we've got non destructive testing to check for these things, you cant cover everything.

Plus you raf lads suck

 

[dannyjo22]

The fact this particular aircraft suffered a tailstrike on landing years ago, coupled with reports of flight crew complaining about shoddy maintenance puts a rear pressure bulkhead failure just as much in the running speculation-wise as a bomb or other such nefarious act.

Crews always complain, they are about the biggest bunch of whining women you can get. You lot think Tube drivers are bad this lot top them all. If you could read any of the pilots private sections on pprune you would think they never get fed, never get paid, get no uniform, never get time off and have to fly a baked bean can with plastic wings.

Crews always moan about maintenance. Some will be justified, sure but I wouldn't take one report as a sign.

Working in aviation I've seen first hand stuff just 'falling off', stuff gets old and while we've got non destructive testing to check for these things, you cant cover everything.

Nearly 30 years myself on the front line so to speak. Heavy and line maintenance old and new aircraft and I have never seen a single piece of primary structure fall off. So out of interest what stuff have you seen just fall off?

Anyways these threads are always gold, so I may as well put my quid in the told you so sweepstake these always turn into.

Center tank explosion. A321 loaded with Fuel, full center tank and red hot packs underneath, leaving a hot climate. Center tank about empty and full of fumes by them. I just hope it was quick for as many people as possible.

 

[mattyfez]

You ain't experienced aviation in Russia until you've flown in an AN-2 that was more repairs than aircraft with a pilot whose breath smelled like he'd secretly been drinking the fuel.

Read this book.. It will blow your mind.. Not the best written book I've read but dayam!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Outlaws-Inc-Matt-Potter/dp/0330531662

 

[Boycey0211]

Crews always complain, they are about the biggest bunch of whining women you can get. You lot think Tube drivers are bad this lot top them all. If you could read any of the pilots private sections on pprune you would think they never get fed, never get paid, get no uniform, never get time off and have to fly a baked bean can with plastic wings.

Crews always moan about maintenance. Some will be justified, sure but I wouldn't take one report as a sign.



Nearly 30 years myself on the front line so to speak. Heavy and line maintenance old and new aircraft and I have never seen a single piece of primary structure fall off. So out of interest what stuff have you seen just fall off?

Anyways these threads are always gold, so I may as well put my quid in the told you so sweepstake these always turn into.

Center tank explosion. A321 loaded with Fuel, full center tank and red hot packs underneath, leaving a hot climate. Center tank about empty and full of fumes by them. I just hope it was quick for as many people as possible.

Vortex generators are a regular(ish) occurance, fairings have come off, had a jet with constant vibration issues that turned out to be fin bolts wearing.

previous large aircraft experience, and an entire tail cone that fell off just after departure, first thing we knew about it was a farmer phoning up to say he had found it in his field, flight got to its destination before they realised.

It doesn't happen 'all the time' of course, but a 20 year old AC with high hours would be more susceptible to failure.

 

[dannyjo22]

Yeah and none of that is primary structure that's failed which is pretty much what everyone is talking about happening to bring an aircraft down from 30,000 feet. I have seen some horrifically scary primary structure worn/incorrectly fitted etc. Yet never seen any primary structure just 'fall off'. Thankfully.

 

[Vulcan]

A barrel-roll, mind.

*Aileron roll.

 

[Boycey0211]

Yeah and none of that is primary structure that's failed which is pretty much what everyone is talking about happening to bring an aircraft down from 30,000 feet. I have seen some horrifically scary primary structure worn/incorrectly fitted etc. Yet never seen any primary structure just 'fall off'. Thankfully.

True, but then I suppose I haven't worked anything thats fallen apart catastrophically in the air. Oh forgot about the flap that fell off on landing too, that grounded the fleet for ages.

Multiple instances of it happening though, not saying that thats what has happened in this case, just that it has happened before.

 

[ubersonic]

Yes, a dangerous stunt. What's your point?

Actually it's very safe, I think the pilot said it's only a 1G maneuver, the stuff they do with airliners at air shows these days is actually more dangerous but they don't do rolls because they look dangerous and because it's not something they want passengers to mentally associate with their airliners.

 

[Nitefly]

 

[stulid]

The video that ISIS claims is them shooting it down looks like old Vietnam/Korean war nose cam footage from dog fighting.

 

[JonnyT]

Center tank explosion. A321 loaded with Fuel, full center tank and red hot packs underneath, leaving a hot climate. Center tank about empty and full of fumes by them. I just hope it was quick for as many people as possible.

Like TWA Flight 800? Time for fuel tank inerting systems (OBIGGS) to be made mandatory on aircraft with a centre fuel tank?

 

[Boycey0211]

Like TWA Flight 800? Time for fuel tank inerting systems (OBIGGS) to be made mandatory on aircraft with a centre fuel tank?

Think it should be mandatory on all fuel tanks anyway considering how effective it is, its not a massive system to implement.

 

[Tefal]

True, but then I suppose I haven't worked anything thats fallen apart catastrophically in the air. Oh forgot about the flap that fell off on landing too, that grounded the fleet for ages.

Multiple instances of it happening though, not saying that thats what has happened in this case, just that it has happened before.

Like I said the raf boys are cowboys

 

[Boycey0211]

Like I said the raf boys are cowboys

Nah actually got a bit of pride in our work rather than making it all about the overtime wage slip

 

[Cosimo]

As the deputy general director of Metrojet says one thing...

However, an employee with an Egyptian agency that manages Metrojet flights from Sharm el-Sheikh airport told The Times that the aircraft had suffered a series of technical problems. Two months ago it had been forced to return to the airport and perform an emergency landing 15 minutes after take-off when it experienced engine trouble.

“Then just three weeks ago we had the same problem,” the employee said. “Before take-off the captain radioed the tower about an engine failure issue and he was told to return back to his stand. The plane never left the runway, the passengers went back to their hotel.

 

[wez130]

The video that ISIS claims is them shooting it down looks like old Vietnam/Korean war nose cam footage from dog fighting.

This is why i can't take it as credible, in this day and age, even a £10 phone would take better footage than that. Surely if they were responsible, knowing how ISIS like to record their activities, it would be much better quality.

 

[scorza]

This is why i can't take it as credible, in this day and age, even a £10 phone would take better footage than that. Surely if they were responsible, knowing how ISIS like to record their activities, it would be much better quality.

Given the plane of was 30k feet, if the Islamic State were filming it then I imagine there would have to be some serious zooming going on which would presumably affect picture quality.

 

[Cosimo]

Given the plane of was 30k feet, if the Islamic State were filming it then I imagine there would have to be some serious zooming going on which would presumably affect picture quality.

Must have been using a magic carpet. It's their latest weapon.

 

[ubersonic]

Given the plane of was 30k feet, if the Islamic State were filming it then I imagine there would have to be some serious zooming going on which would presumably affect picture quality.

Such spy, Most zoom, Many ultra, Very power.