Ryzen "2" ?

Zeed · 9 Apr 2018 at 09:49

Just out

Test BIOS 0001 with AGESA 1.0.0.2a for C6H, official beta will follow if no major issues are found (including C6HWIFI/C6E).

http://www.mediafire.com/file/x22uon...-ASUS-0001.zip

SHA256 4d22d089971b385a5356751d0bb5600b07c631b38420325dcd 5b8b50ed8b5742

- Sleep/resume timer issues when overclocking fixed
- OS frequency reporting when overclocking back to normal
- SIO sensor/fan fix not yet implemented
- HPET disable option in BIOS not yet implemented

Curlyriff · 9 Apr 2018 at 10:46

Martini1991 said:
Why am I not surprised by a comment like this.

If all this launch ends up improving is clocks by 300-400mhz its actually the worst follow up chip AMD have launched in three generations in terms of gains.

This follow up is more akin to the Kabylake that people like you slated.

I can live with 10% gains, but had this been an Intel launch the comments would be different

Tbh Intel had given around 3% increase though on an update and on a couple 0% increase. My 4790k did no real improvement over the 4770k tbh. Almost zero gain and came down to silicone lottery again on that one.

A 10.2% increase whilst also improving memory support on a refined process in 12 months is pretty good in my book. I have not seen close to that with Intel. What AMD done on a different architecture at a different time is not relevant at all to this or what Ryzen improvement is. The second thing to note is that AMD prices have remained relatively flat for this update. Intel have increased prices each time if only that is the only 10% gain they achieve.

And this is from someone who only runs Intel CPU's because I have never been happy with AMD cpu's when I have been building a machine. I would love to see a 10% increase on an Intel chip within 12 months for the same retail price.

B12B6 · 9 Apr 2018 at 10:57

Zeed said:
From our Ryzen memory calculator guru @1usmus
Zen + features (tested on CH6 6001mod)

1) the difference in latency only 3-5ns at a frequency above 3200 (-10ns is only on 3200...strange + does not affect performance in games, just a beautiful number)
7) the boundary of 4.15 Ghz for all cores is present (the system is loaded and at a higher frequency but there is no stability and this is already 1.4 volts)

at the moment the processor is a complete disappointment, either you overclock the memory but do not touch the processor, or you overclock the processor, but use memory for 3200

Well its pretty clear there is something wrong with the bios, latency should be lower all around. What chip does he have? I think AMD did put this time around better chips on X series.

Russian guy with hes 2700X

For my processor: 3990MHz - 1.188v, 4016MHz - 1.250v, 4200MHz - 1.334v, 4340 - 1.455v, 4440 - 1.544v.
This is enough to pass 3 times in a row a multithread in CBr15 (and on 4GHz LinX).

Ryzen 7 2700X +
ASUS ASUS B350-F Strix Gaming

sideways14a · 9 Apr 2018 at 11:06

Even if we only see 10% or so in this release its still pretty good, as been said Intel has not been providing that kind of improvement on many of its "releases"

HeX · 9 Apr 2018 at 11:21

B12B6 said:
Well its pretty clear there is something wrong with the bios, latency should be lower all around. What chip does he have? I think AMD did put this time around better chips on X series.

Russian guy with hes 2700X

Only 4GHz LinX stable is concerning. The CB overclocks are meaningless.

I would hope for this refresh to do ~4.2 LinX/IBT/Prime95 stable on reasonable volts.

Zeed · 9 Apr 2018 at 11:33

HeX said:
Only 4GHz LinX stable is concerning. The CB overclocks are meaningless.

I would hope for this refresh to do ~4.2 LinX/IBT/Prime95 stable on reasonable volts.

by reasonable 1.425??

HeX · 9 Apr 2018 at 11:35

Zeed said:
by reasonable 1.425??

I would have hoped at under 1.4V taking many Ryzen 1's would do 3.9 at under that voltage.

Zeed · 9 Apr 2018 at 11:39

HeX said:
I would have hoped at under 1.4V taking many Ryzen 1's would do 3.9 at under that voltage.

Ye but new process likes volts MORE from what I'w seen so far. Ryzen 1 was loosing stability due to electrical leakout. So much balance for soc cpu and dram was never needed on any platform iw seen before. Like more volts on ddr could kill cpu stability. Or more soc can kill dram stability.

And as i see it 3.9 was small overclock anyway.

Martini1991 · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:09

HeX said:
I would have hoped at under 1.4V taking many Ryzen 1's would do 3.9 at under that voltage.

Wouldn't worry about volts unless it's either dangerous or too hot.

jigger · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:10

It's not so much the clock speed but the performance gained for very little power increase.

Steveocee · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:23

Am I vastly optimistic when I'm hoping that a 2700X will "simply" clock to 4.2Ghz across all cores and sit there happily? That is what I am hoping for.

subbytna · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:31

Steveocee said:
Am I vastly optimistic when I'm hoping that a 2700X will "simply" clock to 4.2Ghz across all cores and sit there happily? That is what I am hoping for.

2700x would probably do it, we just don't know yet until NDA is lifted. May, or may not, take some volts to get that 8 core chip stable at 4.2. Again, we just dont' know.

conqi · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:40

Steveocee said:
Am I vastly optimistic when I'm hoping that a 2700X will "simply" clock to 4.2Ghz across all cores and sit there happily? That is what I am hoping for.

Its what I am hoping for also. a lot of the current leaks are coming from x370 board owners without a newer bios, so im still holding out hope for 2700x with x470 or an updated bios x370 board

Steveocee · 9 Apr 2018 at 12:56

As daft as it sounds, I'd just like a chip I can throw in and not bother about overclocking. Just a "decent" chip that will run 4+ across all cores with messing around.

Zeed · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:06

conqi said:
Its what I am hoping for also. a lot of the current leaks are coming from x370 board owners without a newer bios, so im still holding out hope for 2700x with x470 or an updated bios x370 board

New bios on c6h out today will have tests on it soon to.post

DragonQ · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:17

Steveocee said:
Am I vastly optimistic when I'm hoping that a 2700X will "simply" clock to 4.2Ghz across all cores and sit there happily? That is what I am hoping for.

I think that's about right. The R7 2700 might only get to 4-4.1 GHz on reasonable volts. But right now we don't even know what "reasonable volts" means for these chips.

Steveocee said:
As daft as it sounds, I'd just like a chip I can throw in and not bother about overclocking. Just a "decent" chip that will run 4+ across all cores with messing around.

I think the R7 2700X only boosts to 3.9 GHz on all cores (presumably the R5 2600X is slightly less), but maybe with XFR it'll do that. Otherwise, I'm sure a 4 GHz all-core overclock will be a very simple set-and-forget exercise.

XeNoNF50 · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:33

Not gonna lie, I'm probably hoping for too much here, but I'm hoping it can achieve 4.3-4.4ghz stable all core oc. Would be delighted with that. I suspect 4.1-4.2 is where it will land. Almost certainly going to buy this regardless as it's a good upgrade on what I've got, unless I go mental and go down the 8700k or 7820x route.

Relentless81 · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:34

I'll bite if the 2600x has all core boost of 4ghz, if not I'll stick with my 1600x until the next CPUs come out

haszek · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:48

XeNoNF50 said:
Not gonna lie, I'm probably hoping for too much here, but I'm hoping it can achieve 4.3-4.4ghz stable all core oc. Would be delighted with that. I suspect 4.1-4.2 is where it will land. Almost certainly going to buy this regardless as it's a good upgrade on what I've got, unless I go mental and go down the 8700k or 7820x route.

I'm exactly the same, if it was in range 4.3-4.4, I would bite, otherwise, might be worth just to wait one extra year for upgrade. Current is running perfectly fine, probably no difference after upgrading this year, but just for fun playing/testing new toy.

Zeed · 9 Apr 2018 at 13:59

haszek said:
I'm exactly the same, if it was in range 4.3-4.4, I would bite, otherwise, might be worth just to wait one extra year for upgrade. Current is running perfectly fine, probably no difference after upgrading this year, but just for fun playing/testing new toy.

Looking at what we seen so far it is option depends how much volts are you willing to put and whats the cooling like haha.

In my case cooling is not issue more of what chip can handle. Max power draw by my 1700x was 210w when i was pumping 1.44 was stable still yet no extra mhz to gain from it