Ryzen "2" ?

Martini1991 · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:45

jigger said:
So why did you buy what you consider to be a failure of a chip? I don't understand.

Maybe something is lost in translation here.

You're just trolling?
He considered the FX's to be fail, and didn't buy an FX, he bought an i5.

To be honest, I don't understand how you're actually allowed to post. I can understand fanboys, but nothing you post makes any sense, it's just garbage.

Martini1991 · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:48

gavinh87 said:
Meh cba with this thread lol.
No ryzen should be paired with a 1080ti at 1080P it hasn't got the balls.

I'm all for an i7 8700K getting higher FPS in CPU bottlenecked scenario, but I don't really believe for one second it's not worth putting a 1080ti with a Ryzen at 1080p. I can total understand at 144HZ it might not always max it out, but I'd never say it wasn't worth it. Perhaps this will change with later GPU's and later games (As the same arguments would have been made for FX's etc)

I run a Vega 64 and a 1700 @ 3.8GHZ at 2560x1080 144hz. I've really had no problem with the performance I'm getting bar DOW 3 in very unit intensive scenarios.

Zeed · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:51

henom x3

jigger said:
So why did you buy what you consider to be a failure of a chip? I don't understand.

Maybe something is lost in translation here.

what to hell did i buy ?? Yu consider 2500k a failure ?? WTF Trully best CPU in history of CPUs. Stillc an play on them things in 2018 if ya not in to 100+ fps gaming
Only regreat was not going for 2600k would possibly still own it

gavinh87 · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:53

ltron said:
And here's an 8700K@5GHz with 4000MHz RAM and GTX 1080Ti on the Amiens map. This is pretty much a best case scenario for the Intel chip and yet the framerate is very similar to the 2700X. I know the resolution is at 1440P, but there is a CPU bottleneck here regardless of resolution.

I think you are mistaken. The GPU load is always at 95% from what I have just watched. The 2700 cannot keep it above 80%

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:53

Zeed said:
henom x3

what to hell did i buy ?? Yu consider 2500k a failure ?? WTF Trully best CPU in ghistory of CPUS

Yeah I've still got a 2500K and long championed how good they are even when I was getting told how crap a chip the 2500K was. Just ask Gavin about that

It's the fail doser comments. Why did you buy one of those.

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 19:56

gavinh87 said:
I think you are mistaken. The GPU load is always at 95% from what I have just watched. The 2700 cannot keep it above 80%

The Nvidia driver can't work the 2700X enough.

LOLN1 · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:05

I'm not a reviewer
Take my tests with pliers
There is room for much improvement (updated driver, bios etcc ...)
My monitor is not full hd but 1920x1200 16/10 60hz
If this is useful
I'm using windows 7 64 bit (dirty system)
Finally I play bf1, how much time ...
If I can re-test with overclock and ram 3600 cl14

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:09

LOLN1 said:
I'm not a reviewer
Take my tests with pliers
There is room for much improvement (updated driver, bios etcc ...)
My monitor is not full hd but 1920x1200 16/10 60hz
If this is useful
I'm using windows 7 64 bit (dirty system)
Finally I play bf1, how much time ...
If I can re-test with overclock and ram 3600 cl14

Windows 7 is DX11 and that's not conducive for scaling with cores or getting best from the latest hardware.

gavinh87 · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:12

jigger said:
The Nvidia driver can't work the 2700X enough.

lolwut? Even with vega you aren't going to get that 2700 to beat a 8700k in games.
If the 2700 is as powerful as you say it is then the next dx12 GPU's will show this.

trawetSluaP · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:18

gavinh87 said:
lolwut? Even with vega you aren't going to get that 2700 to beat a 8700k in games.
If the 2700 is as powerful as you say it is then the next dx12 GPU's will show this.

Christ you're a broken record aren't you? Are you factoring in the extra cost and risk of delidding the 8700K? I'd take a 2700X over it every day.

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:21

gavinh87 said:
lolwut? Even with vega you aren't going to get that 2700 to beat a 8700k in games.
If the 2700 is as powerful as you say it is then the next dx12 GPU's will show this.

You still don't get the low level API thing do you, but how powerful did I say the 2700X was? Good chance that conversation never happened outside of your head.

gavinh87 · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:24

trawetSluaP said:
Christ you're a broken record aren't you? Are you factoring in the extra cost and risk of delidding the 8700K? I'd take a 2700X over it every day.

Some shop at LIDL some shop at better places

@jigger you didn't need to say anything. You were implying that the CPU is losing because of nvidia. Fact is even with vega ryzen loses (when not presented with a GPU bottleneck as AMD don't have a card fast enough)

HeX · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:27

For someone who CBA with this thread you certainly can't stop replying.

It's also a fact that Nvidia drivers aren't efficient at using AMD CPU's, it's been shown multiple times. This is not to say AMD would be quicker than Intel, just that the gap would be much closer without the artificial overhead.

We know you think the 8700k is the second coming, but just consider that for some the 2700X is the better rounded solution and that pure gaming performance isn't the only metric to be considered when buying a CPU.

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:28

gavinh87 said:
Some shop at LIDL some shop at better places
@jigger you didn't need to say anything. You were implying that the CPU is losing because of nvidia. Fact is even with vega ryzen loses (when not presented with a GPU bottleneck as AMD don't have a card fast enough)

Well I was showing how stupid people jump to stupid conclusion, but Nvidia don't have DX12 hardware and DX11 can't scale across cores. If it could we wouldn't need DX12.

gavinh87 · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:43

jigger said:
Well I was showing how stupid people jump to stupid conclusion, but Nvidia don't have DX12 hardware and DX11 can't scale across cores. If it could we wouldn't need DX12.

Nvidia dx12 cards are on the way from what "leaks" are suggesting.
Also assasins creed origins scales very well and is on dx11

jigger · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:45

gavinh87 said:
Nvidia dx12 cards are on the way from what "leaks" are suggesting.
Also assasins creed origins scales very well and is on dx11

Face meet palm.

Rroff · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:51

gavinh87 said:
Also assasins creed origins scales very well and is on dx11

Oooh don't go there.

gavinh87 · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:53

Rroff said:
Oooh don't go there.

Bad subject? Drm or other issues? Not played it lol.

Rroff · 8 Apr 2018 at 20:53

gavinh87 said:
Bad subject? Drm or other issues? Not played it lol.

Me neither - seen some stuff about the core scaling though - its a bit controversial.

Troezar · 8 Apr 2018 at 21:05

gavinh87 said:
Some shop at LIDL some shop at better places

Bad analogy, I started shopping there 10 years ago after a tip off from one of their area managers that their products were good. The food snobs stayed with the mainstream and got fleeced, note they're all moving over.

Don't get me wrong I love quality food, I buy meat direct from rare breed farmers but I hate getting ripped off. All companies are in it to make $, £, €'s but some will charge you more for the privilege. Corporate types love "value added" i.e. find a reason to charge more for the same item...