Ryzen "2" ?

Zeed · 11 Jul 2018 at 14:46

Martini1991 said:
Finally changed my CPU on my Ryzen 2700 to an AIO.

Why on Earth is the Asus Prime X370 Pro AM4 backplate "glued" to the motherboard?!

Hated that on C7H it was not glied had to use duck tape to hold it when putting block on !!!!

humbug · 11 Jul 2018 at 14:53

Martini1991 said:
Finally changed my CPU on my Ryzen 2700 to an AIO.

Why on Earth is the Asus Prime X370 Pro AM4 backplate "glued" to the motherboard?!

Is it actually glued or is it perhaps just a bit stuck? don't pull too hard on it to find out :O

Do you need it off? the backplate on my ASRock was ideal for the AM4 bracket i had to purchase separately for £2.99 from OCUK so my now 3 year Kraken X31 would fit Ryzen

eddiew · 11 Jul 2018 at 15:07

nkata said:
In general for overclocking, spec a good board. ££ spent on the board are more worthwhile than ££ spent on the processor.

Especially if you buy into the AM4 upgrade path. Feels like it would be silly to buy a board that isn't good for Ryzen 3000 12-cores - assuming you know enough to identify which boards are going to be good in 12 months time

Although I confess that this time I didn't go AM4, I feel like I did at least make the right choice (or one of the right choices). Vs two previous systems, the overspecced VRMs dump out surprisingly little heat into the case, which is good for everything!

Martini1991 · 11 Jul 2018 at 15:23

humbug said:
Is it actually glued or is it perhaps just a bit stuck? don't pull too hard on it to find out :O

Do you need it off? the backplate on my ASRock was ideal for the AM4 bracket i had to purchase separately for £2.99 from OCUK so my now 3 year Kraken X31 would fit Ryzen

I'm not sure. It's certainly "stuck". Maybe adhesive layer on the AM4 backplate.
And it had to come off for the cooler I was using.

Never knew anything about it, having been in AM4 for over a year, but there's loads of threads over multiple forums.
Given it's across multiple brands I'm guessing AMD were hoping that people would use their coolers with the AM4 backplate, but that isn't the case with all of them unfortunately.

Gerard · 11 Jul 2018 at 15:25

Martini1991 said:
Ha, I meant CPU cooler

Illuminist said:
Where can I get one of these AIO cpus to replace my 2700x cpu?

Oh they're very exclusive, have to be in the know to get one.

Illuminist · 11 Jul 2018 at 20:00

Gerard said:
Oh they're very exclusive, have to be in the know to get one.

It does give me a great idea that the cooling block is part of the cpu. Instead of the normal lid, combine the two
if your watching amd or intel. I want ip royalties !

eddiew · 11 Jul 2018 at 20:20

Illuminist said:
It does give me a great idea that the cooling block is part of the cpu. Instead of the normal lid, combine the two
if your watching amd or intel. I want ip royalties !

Doesn't that just result in direct-die cooling?

Edit: or do you mean the cooling block is irrevocably sealed onto the CPU? Which I guess would allow for it to be specific dimensions that all cases and boards could accommodate for...

AndreiD · 12 Jul 2018 at 00:31

Issue with direct-die is that you might damage the CPU die if you put too much pressure when installing the cooler.

Illuminist · 12 Jul 2018 at 06:33

eddiew said:
Doesn't that just result in direct-die cooling?

Edit: or do you mean the cooling block is irrevocably sealed onto the CPU? Which I guess would allow for it to be specific dimensions that all cases and boards could accommodate for...

Yes I meant that the cpu itself was the block,, die straight to block, no lid, all in one. Was just a thought.

eddiew · 12 Jul 2018 at 08:41

Illuminist said:
Yes I meant that the cpu itself was the block,, die straight to block, no lid, all in one. Was just a thought.

If you can solve the risk during installation (fiddling around with 300g of copper balanced on some teeny tiny pins) it's probably not a stupid idea...

Zeed · 12 Jul 2018 at 09:43

New bios with fixes for C7H
http://www.mediafire.com/file/58436q88ph49be3/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VII-HERO-ASUS-0804.zip

Hagar · 12 Jul 2018 at 10:04

eddiew said:
If you can solve the risk during installation (fiddling around with 300g of copper balanced on some teeny tiny pins) it's probably not a stupid idea...

I used to have the SLK-800 copper heatsink below clipped onto an AMD A462 socket. If you did it properly no issues. It was possible to break the corner of the die when removing it if you were careless.

Model Name: SLK-800
Heatsink Dim: 81x56x58-86mm
HS Material: copper
Weight: 505grams
Mfg by: Thermalright

eddiew · 12 Jul 2018 at 10:19

nkata said:
I used to have the SLK-800 copper heatsink below clipped onto an AMD A462 socket. If you did it properly no issues. It was possible to break the corner of the die when removing it if you were careless.

That's the problem though - even experienced builders occasionally bend a pin with a chip that weighs maybe 20 grams... push that up to half a kg and it requires a lot more dexterity and control. We'd need a very clever insertion mechanism to avoid catastrophe :/

Buddy · 12 Jul 2018 at 10:22

Illuminist said:
Yes I meant that the cpu itself was the block,, die straight to block, no lid, all in one. Was just a thought.

FYI OCUK were unable to get 3200mhz on the team group. Best they could do was 3000mhz. Told to generally stay clear of team group for overclocking as I was considering changing the RAM. For the sake of 200mhz I've left it as it is. Should get it delivered tomorrow.

subbytna · 12 Jul 2018 at 11:43

Gerard said:
2700x, on an x370 board. Didn't see any point moving to a 470, from what I've read it makes virtually no difference in terms of performance.

6700k @ 4.6GHZ\Gbyte Designare Z170\Corsair Vengeance 16gigs 3200mhz

Get that sig updated then

strumpusplunket · 12 Jul 2018 at 11:52

ED209 said:
Mine was completely green screen and using the windows key to minimise the game and bring it back up again sorts it for awhile till it happens again.

I just remembered this conversation!

I did install Minecraft on the lad's PC in the end. He played about half an hour yesterday and it was all fine. No green screen issues at all.

Pleased to say also that I got his RAM running at 3200C16, which should make a nice difference from the 2133 it had decided to default to in the BIOS originally!

ED209 · 12 Jul 2018 at 13:49

strumpusplunket said:
I just remembered this conversation!

I did install Minecraft on the lad's PC in the end. He played about half an hour yesterday and it was all fine. No green screen issues at all.

Pleased to say also that I got his RAM running at 3200C16, which should make a nice difference from the 2133 it had decided to default to in the BIOS originally!

cool, sometimes my son can play for an hour with no issues and then in the space of 5 mins get it twice and be ok for awhile again.

My bios is on default and only XMP enabled and 2GB dedicated to the gpu, oh and UEFI (secure boot) enabled.

strumpusplunket · 12 Jul 2018 at 14:02

ED209 said:
cool, sometimes my son can play for an hour with no issues and then in the space of 5 mins get it twice and be ok for awhile again.

My bios is on default and only XMP enabled and 2GB dedicated to the gpu, oh and UEFI (secure boot) enabled.

Ah right. Well, I'll keep an eye out for it. Though I'm sure he'll let me know if anything goes wrong!

I didn't see the setting for changing the amount of RAM allocated tot he iGPU in the BIOS. Is 2GB the default?

ED209 · 12 Jul 2018 at 15:39

strumpusplunket said:
Ah right. Well, I'll keep an eye out for it. Though I'm sure he'll let me know if anything goes wrong!

I didn't see the setting for changing the amount of RAM allocated tot he iGPU in the BIOS. Is 2GB the default?

Default is auto.

I'll see if I can grab a screen shot when I get in. I could have left it on auto but thought 2gb would be more than enough

Illuminist · 13 Jul 2018 at 13:06

Buddy said:
FYI OCUK were unable to get 3200mhz on the team group. Best they could do was 3000mhz. Told to generally stay clear of team group for overclocking as I was considering changing the RAM. For the sake of 200mhz I've left it as it is. Should get it delivered tomorrow.

Thanks buddy Do you mind sharing the settings they used for 3000 so I can set mine the same?