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Ryzen "2" ?
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Caporegime
Because people don't complain when Intel do a 10% up lift, mostly its 0 to 3% so people are pretty happy when they get any sort of up lift at all.
You and Intel shills are the only ones making a huge fuss over it, maybe don't expect so much from what is little more and always was going to be little more than a simple refresh.
I think this release is in line with expectations for me, not even AMD have been hyping it that much, I'm not sure why the community have got so stoked about Zen+, it not like the jump from previous gen to Ryzen if that's what people were hoping for!
These were the slides they presented on 1st of Feb (top image is expected IPC gain)
This ^^^ get real.
Soldato
That criticism of Intel is fully justified when to get that increase has required having to buy a new motherboard to get it, even when the cpu would have worked fine in an existing motherboard.
Soldato
I think the thing that has annoyed people about Intel is how they stopped pushing themselves as soon as AMD fell behind.
Intel were knocking out the X5670 6 core 12 thread CPU in Q1 2010 with a 95w TDP that were great clockers - that was on 32nm, so they could definitely have been pushing more powerful chips into the consumer space long ago - do you think we'd have got mainstream 6c12t coffee lake when we did if Ryzen hadn't shown up?
I don't think most people care if there next box will have an Intel or AMD chip in, they worship at the alter of performace per £ - which is why AMD happen to very popular on here right now.
Intel were knocking out the X5670 6 core 12 thread CPU in Q1 2010 with a 95w TDP that were great clockers - that was on 32nm, so they could definitely have been pushing more powerful chips into the consumer space long ago - do you think we'd have got mainstream 6c12t coffee lake when we did if Ryzen hadn't shown up?
I don't think most people care if there next box will have an Intel or AMD chip in, they worship at the alter of performace per £ - which is why AMD happen to very popular on here right now.
Well that hasn’t always been the case but recently yes.
Will be interesting to see if series 3 motherboard owners can get the same out of these new chips as the newer motherboards.
Soldato
It's as if people think they release products out of the desire to simply continually push the limits of technology whilst competition from rivals and making money doesn't come into it
It's as if people think they release products out of the desire to simply continually push the limits of technology whilst competition from rivals and making money doesn't come into it
But if the demand for pushing out the cutting edge of technology drops then you end up with a shrinking market and further reduced financial incentive.
Nowhere near. Sandy Bridge and Haswell were the only occasions they got figures approaching that since Nehalem (even Nehalem was mainly potential clock speed improvements over the Core 2 series IIRC, plus SMT). Otherwise all they've done is raise clock speeds to compensate for lack of IPC improvement. That's basically what AMD is doing here; it's perhaps disappointing but not unexpected. Let's remember that when Intel do it they usually require a new motherboard, plus they have a much larger R&D budget that is clearly being wasted, or at least not focused at all on desktop performance.
It seems like the technology has just reached a maturation point whereby IPC improvements are extremely difficult to do. The fact that AMD has provided literally nothing this time around (it seems) aside from a clock speed bump and better memory support is slightly worrying. Hopefully it's part of their tick-tock release cadence and not because they are really struggling to find improvements. If 7 nm Zen 2 has no improvements other than clock speed people will see it as a disappointment, even if that's all that's needed to match Intel.
I think future improvements will be largely made in technologies like SMT, inter-core latency, that kind of stuff, to make parallel processing more efficient, until we move away from silicon anyway. I think anyone expecting more than 5-10% IPC improvement from Icelake is deluded; if it was actually revolutionary then Intel wouldn't care about the comparatively lower clock speeds of their 10 nm process.
Kind of agree... I remember waiting months for Bulldozer, which promised huge performance and a solid upgrade path. Then it launched. Then the benchmarks came.
Next day I bought an i5. Never bought a ticket on the hype train again, or at least, not until it's standing at the station and has had it's maiden voyage
I think this release is in line with expectations for me, not even AMD have been hyping it that much, I'm not sure why the community have got so stoked about Zen+, it not like the jump from previous gen to Ryzen if that's what people were hoping for!
These were the slides they presented on 1st of Feb (top image is expected IPC gain)
Did AMD define what CAGR is? If that's Intel's improvements between chips then 7-8% seems very kind.
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sae here was on my 1090t phenom 6x4.3 faildozer came out slower in every sing game im like WTF is this **** ?? Went Intel FIRST TIME in my life 2500k@5.Kind of agree... I remember waiting months for Bulldozer, which promised huge performance and a solid upgrade path. Then it launched. Then the benchmarks came.
Next day I bought an i5. Never bought a ticket on the hype train again, or at least, not until it's standing at the station and has had it's maiden voyage
Why did you buy a CPU you considered failure?
Caporegime
If AMD had much more of an IPC increase they would be overtaking Intel, we can't have that, right?
If AMD had much more of an IPC increase they would be overtaking Intel, we can't have that, right?
Yeah, can't have that orange wedge getting too wide I suppose. Sneak past them?
Soldato
Pretty sure even AMD considered that a failure.
Ryzen 2700x default Battlefield 1 online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23TTB57t52Q&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23TTB57t52Q&t=2s
Soldato
Bottlenecking that ti like a champ.
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did ya read iw picked up 2500k instead then 5820k after. Back on ryzen now and maybe Zen+ ill see.
think they would have been better of just not selling faildozer and continue to sell phenom cpus ...
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Yup :/
But why did you buy a chip you felt was a failure? I didn't see the FX chips as failures as the price was very compelling at the time.