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Ryzen "2" ?

gavinh87 said:
Were all grownups here :rolleyes:
Except for those living in that delusional bubble. "It fits my budget so its the best" mentality.
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You're still angry about this? you have yet to fault it, so for a change instead of attacking me for posting it why not try to rationalist and articulate your opposition to it, LIKE AN ADULT.

humbug said:
Yes but the question is is it enough?

In multithreading the 2700X will kick the 8700K's derrière, the 1800X is already faster, so is it enough to justify the price difference between the 8700K and 2700? not just for the price of the CPU but also the very expensive cooling solution need to to keep the Mhz up that the 8700K needs to be at its best, the 2700 will do that on a £30 air cooler, all this is also ignoring having to take the Heat Spreader off the 8700K.

If we just stick with gaming. The 8700K is the best gaming CPU, that fact while reduced will remain, so yes if you want the very best what you want is the 8700K, but that will cost you, a lot more.

The fact is for me the 1600 is every bit as good as the 8700K, i don't have the very best GPU's, its more than capable of providing what i do have with enough performance for it to run at its best. whats more i and those with lesser GPU's account for probably about 95% of PC Gamers, so for 95% of PC Gamers a Ryzen 6 core is just as good as Intel's best 6 core.
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gavinh87 said:
95% gets passed around far too much in this place.
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That's it? that's you rational argument to this?
humbug said:
Yes but the question is is it enough?

In multithreading the 2700X will kick the 8700K's derrière, the 1800X is already faster, so is it enough to justify the price difference between the 8700K and 2700? not just for the price of the CPU but also the very expensive cooling solution need to to keep the Mhz up that the 8700K needs to be at its best, the 2700 will do that on a £30 air cooler, all this is also ignoring having to take the Heat Spreader off the 8700K.

If we just stick with gaming. The 8700K is the best gaming CPU, that fact while reduced will remain, so yes if you want the very best what you want is the 8700K, but that will cost you, a lot more.

The fact is for me the 1600 is every bit as good as the 8700K, i don't have the very best GPU's, its more than capable of providing what i do have with enough performance for it to run at its best. whats more i and those with lesser GPU's account for probably about 95% of PC Gamers, so for 95% of PC Gamers a Ryzen 6 core is just as good as Intel's best 6 core.
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People running 1080TI's and gaming at 1080P with very low graphics settings, what percentage of PC Gamers would you suggest they make up?
 
humbug said:
For what, 10 FPS out of 120, Not with very low graphics settings, if that's how you want to play your games why would you even have a 1080TI?

Almost no one does that, so the people you are talking about practically don't exist.
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There are titles that show a lot more than 10fps.
There are also titles where a 1080ti is required to hit 1080/144hz on ultra.
 
gavinh87 said:
There are titles that show a lot more than 10fps.
There are also titles where a 1080ti is required to hit 1080/144hz on ultra.
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You used it to shill the 8700K, don't cry because it turns out its nothing like as significant as you first thought.

The slide you pulled up for GTA-V shows Ryzen 106 FPS vs 8700K 123 FPS, GPU used was a 1080TI, settings very low 1080P.

Big deal, so what? a higher clock Ryzen 2### will just close that gap down from what is already not 'all that'.

Use very high settings like any PC gamer with a 1080TI would and the frame rate difference between the 8700K and Ryzen will be around 0.

This on a game with some of the highest performance deltas between Coffeelake and Ryzen.

There are titles that show a lot more than 10fps.
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Right, like 20 out of 300 FPS. :rolleyes:
 
I suggest you take a look at some benchmarks other than the slides AMD put out. The differences are larger than around 0.
We all know the 8700k is faster, I was pointing out that the 2700 can't push a 1080ti at 1080p.
I fear how bad it will do on faster cards in future.
 
gavinh87 said:
I suggest you take a look at some benchmarks other than the slides AMD put out. The differences are larger than around 0.
We all know the 8700k is faster, I was pointing out that the 2700 can't push a 1080ti at 1080p.
I fear how bad it will do on faster cards in future.
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No one is disputing the 8700K is a faster gaming CPU, what i'm disputing is your exaggerations of those performance deltas and the idea that the 8700K is the only CPU you can have for gaming.

If your running a 1080TI, using it for games at 1080P and very low settings then yes the 8700K is the best CPU for you.

Any other GPU or even just very high settings instead of very low, on that 1080TI, a £200 cheaper Ryzen 1600 will get you exactly the same performance as the 8700K.

Spend that difference on something that isn't from Intel, is that your issue here? that Intel might not get that £350 for that over priced CPU?
 
humbug said:
No one is disputing the 8700K is a faster gaming CPU, what i'm disputing is your exaggerations of those performance deltas and the idea that the 8700K is the only CPU you can have for gaming.

If your running a 1080TI, using it for games at 1080P and very low settings then yes the 8700K is the best CPU for you.

Any other GPU or even just very high settings instead of very low, on that 1080TI, a £200 cheaper Ryzen 1600 will get you exactly the same performance as the 8700K.

Spend that difference on something that isn't from Intel, is that your issue here? that Intel might not get that £350 for that over priced CPU?
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Stop kidding yourself.
 
kitfit1 said:
That criticism of Intel is fully justified when to get that increase has required having to buy a new motherboard to get it, even when the cpu would have worked fine in an existing motherboard.
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That's why I'm going to back to AMD, now that they are competitive again. I can just drop a Zen 2/ Zen 3 CPU into my motherboard without shelling out extra for the motherboard.
 
humbug said:
That's nowt, 8700K here bottlenecking the 1080TI to a GTX 1060. GPU doesn't get much past 60%.

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And here's an 8700K@5GHz with 4000MHz RAM and GTX 1080Ti on the Amiens map. This is pretty much a best case scenario for the Intel chip and yet the framerate is very similar to the 2700X. I know the resolution is at 1440P, but there is a CPU bottleneck here regardless of resolution.

 
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