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Ryzen 7 2700x vs i7-8700k

As mentioned in another thread, I have decided to retire my 2500k after seven years in favour of a 2700x, with a view to upgrading my 980ti later in the year. Like zola25/Troezar has said, I think Intel have been complacent, just iterating and allowed the market to stagnate for at least the last five years, where AMD have been trying to push things forward.

At 1080p the 8700k does trounce the Ryzen's, but at 1440p and above its either level or marginally in AMD's favour - where the GPU is more of a factor in any event (I use an ultra-wide at 3440x1440)

Once I have got my build set up I will be running some benchmarks of my own to just see what improvements I have got.

Upgrading from a 4690K to an 8700K I couldn't believe how CPU bound I'd been in BF1 and War Thunder at 1440p, I now run my 980 Ti's OC at all times because it now makes a difference in all titles I play. BF1 in particular went from minimums of 45/50 and an average of 75 to minimums of around 70 and average of 100+.
 
Interesting, I do get drops at that area. 120 fps looking one way, drops to 80 looking the other way. 1440p, max settings. Not really noticeable with gsync though. :)
 
The post I quoted from you is just not true.

"in others a modern i5 will beat the top ryzen in literally every game.mp or single."

No goal posts where changed as nobody set any. The simple truth is you are wrong.

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.computerbase.de/2018-04/ryzen-2600-2700-fortnite-pubg-overwatch/2/#abschnitt_testsystem_und_spieleeinstellungen

where is the 8600k?

These review sites are staggeringly bad, I mean how can you just choose to ommit the 8600k.
 
where is the 8600k?

These review sites are staggeringly bad, I mean how can you just choose to ommit the 8600k.
The i5-8600K is a bit of an odd one IMO. Either you run it at stock, in which case there isn't much point to it over an i5-8400 (~40% more for an extra 300 MHz), or you go balls to the wall, delid the thing and run it at 5+ GHz, in which case wouldn't it just be better to go for an i7-8700K? Yes it's also 40% more but you get double the threads, plus the cost of a top-notch cooling solution and delidding make the difference less extreme. Also if I was going to all that trouble I'd want it to last, and 6c/12t will have more longevity.

I do agree that ignoring it in reviews is a bit weird though.
 
deffo dont need to delid a 8600k to reach 5ghz. HTT adds a lot to temps, I could run at 1.38v under AVX and still not hit thermal throttle.

The 8700k only has value over an 8600k if you run HTT friendly workloads.

An 8400 clocks to 3.8ghz on all cores, the 8600k even a very very very bad one will reach 4.8ghz. An extra ghz not 300mhz.

Regardless of all this I am glad we agree it been ignored is odd.
 
If you are doing tasks other than gaming (rendering, streaming etc), than the argument for Ryzen is clearly stronger.

Yes Intel clocks higher and sees slightly higher FPS in many games. Will people notice, most likely not in many cases, but regardless, you will certainly notice the higher temps that come with it.

More to the point though, why anyone wants to support Intel's dead-end upgrade chipsets for a few extra FPS and significantly higher temps is utterly beyond me. It just makes no sense on any level, short of being someone who has money to burn and wants to wring the absolute max FPS out of their games and damn the value consideration.

No doubt the fanboys will leap to their defence, but Intel seem to think they can continue to pull this cr*p time after time without consequence. I am no AMD fanboy myself, but facts are facts. Intel just had the market to themselves far too long.
 
If you are doing tasks other than gaming (rendering, streaming etc), than the argument for Ryzen is clearly stronger.

Yes Intel clocks higher and sees slightly higher FPS in many games. Will people notice, most likely not in many cases, but regardless, you will certainly notice the higher temps that come with it.

More to the point though, why anyone wants to support Intel's dead-end upgrade chipsets for a few extra FPS and significantly higher temps is utterly beyond me. It just makes no sense on any level, short of being someone who has money to burn and wants to wring the absolute max FPS out of their games and damn the value consideration.

No doubt the fanboys will leap to their defence, but Intel seem to think they can continue to pull this cr*p time after time without consequence. I am no AMD fanboy myself, but facts are facts. Intel just had the market to themselves far too long.

This is the thinking that led me to go Ryzen with my new PC. I'd had Intel systems for something like 12 years, but it was the dead end nature of their chipsets and the AMD support for future chips that made me switch.
 
This is the thinking that led me to go Ryzen with my new PC. I'd had Intel systems for something like 12 years, but it was the dead end nature of their chipsets and the AMD support for future chips that made me switch.

For me the reason why i went with 2700x over the 8700k is due to better bang for buck when as you understand when all threads/cores are used and i like the idea that amd will be supporting am4 socket until 2010 i believe and if you buy a motherboard i remember someones opinion is that you better get a decent motherboard for the am4 socket, during the lifespan of the cpu socket type like am4.

For games the 8700k hand down wins, but if there was any game to use all 8cores/16threads then the 2700x hand down beats the 8700k.

Intel is the gaming/performance king and amd is the bang for buck king.

Plus i like amd's cpu cooler and infact it uses screws to install the cpu cooler not push pins.

Either way for gaming i recommend the 8700k because it is quite extremely likely the 8700k will beat the 2700x in games due to it's higher instructions per clock and better single threaded performance, when i mean quite extremely likely, is that games do not support the extra cores and threads so they get unused.

But is is likely as time goes on and new pc games on the horizon they definitely will be using the extra cores and threads otherwise they will be unused.

Apart from that the 2700x is no slouch in performance and it is satisfactory when it comes to pc games and in fact if you game at 4k it taxs/uses the graphics card way more than the processor.

Before i get slapped possibly by saying 2700x beats 8700k in gaming when all cores and threads are used on both cpus, the ryzen 2700x scores higher in cpu bench like cinebench r15 benchmark when compared to 8700k.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31926143

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31926610

Either way amd processors are more future proof when compared to intel cpus due to more cores/threads same with am4 socket.
 
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Personally chose a 2700(non x) over the 8600k due to the ever increasing multithreaded optimisation of software and the actually overhead in the present , anyone that says single core performance is still king does what exactly ? Plays games from 2014 and opens a single app at a time ? , having owned i7s for a long time 2700k 4770k and a 5820k I more recently an i5 6500 ( which was the better choice pre Ryzen ) , I founded multithreaded performance being my main drawback , 4 cores for battlefield is laughable , and what to upgrade to a 6 core which again by the time bf5 comes out will be laughable again , I hate the term as there really isn’t such a thing but the 2700 and non x parts over intel’s mainstream platforms are far more futureproof , still compete and often in heavy cpu tittles with threaded optimisation Ryzen dismantles an i5 and and makes an i7 looks pretty lackluster for its price

As an enthusiast personally I don’t care abou dead end sockets , it’s always been that way and will no doubt continue , I buy a new board with a new chip every time , half the fun is in the platform generally , so always add this to my cost , and often a comparible AMD board is more expensive than an Intel one provided features have Parety
 
Personally chose a 2700(non x) over the 8600k due to the ever increasing multithreaded optimisation of software and the actually overhead in the present , anyone that says single core performance is still king does what exactly ? Plays games from 2014 and opens a single app at a time ? , having owned i7s for a long time 2700k 4770k and a 5820k I more recently an i5 6500 ( which was the better choice pre Ryzen ) , I founded multithreaded performance being my main drawback , 4 cores for battlefield is laughable , and what to upgrade to a 6 core which again by the time bf5 comes out will be laughable again (up to 50% cpu util on bf5 closed alpha ;) , you do the math as 8 real threads are being used here , for Intel it’s 6 real and 2 HTT ) I hate the term as there really isn’t such a thing but the 2700 and non x parts over intel’s mainstream platforms are far more futureproof , still compete and often in heavy cpu tittles with threaded optimisation Ryzen dismantles an i5 and and makes an i7 looks pretty lackluster for its price

As an enthusiast personally I don’t care abou dead end sockets , it’s always been that way and will no doubt continue , I buy a new board with a new chip every time , half the fun is in the platform generally , so always add this to my cost , and often a comparible AMD board is more expensive than an Intel one provided features have Parety
 
As an enthusiast personally I don’t care abou dead end sockets , it’s always been that way and will no doubt continue , I buy a new board with a new chip every time , half the fun is in the platform generally , so always add this to my cost , and often a comparible AMD board is more expensive than an Intel one provided features have Parety

You don't care that you'd have to buy an all new motherboard if you wanted to stay with the latest tech, as you would with Intel? That's a BIG extra expense, far more than is countered by slightly higher cost of the motherboard... assuming that is even the case as it isn't always, just depends on the motherboard in question. Still, as an enthusiast myself I just feel Intel are taking the proverbial wee-wee with their antics, and I'm switching to Ryzen partly for this, but also because what a 2700X offers is so damn close in most games, and superior in other multi-threaded tasks. Plus I know I wouldn't notice the extra FPS gains in games that an 8700K would give me. Add to that the knowledge I'd be able to upgrade my CPU in a year or so without having to buy a new motherboard, and it's really no-brainer for me at the end of the day.

Of course, I'm aware some people will just want the best game performance regardless and don't care about the value proposition, but each to their own. :rolleyes:
 
You don't care that you'd have to buy an all new motherboard if you wanted to stay with the latest tech, as you would with Intel? That's a BIG extra expense, far more than is countered by slightly higher cost of the motherboard... assuming that is even the case as it isn't always, just depends on the motherboard in question. Still, as an enthusiast myself I just feel Intel are taking the proverbial wee-wee with their antics, and I'm switching to Ryzen partly for this, but also because what a 2700X offers is so damn close in most games, and superior in other multi-threaded tasks. Plus I know I wouldn't notice the extra FPS gains in games that an 8700K would give me. Add to that the knowledge I'd be able to upgrade my CPU in a year or so without having to buy a new motherboard, and it's really no-brainer for me at the end of the day.

Of course, I'm aware some people will just want the best game performance regardless and don't care about the value proposition, but each to their own. :rolleyes:


But it ain’t the latest tech if your re using your board , I know it’s a technicality and I know between x370 and x470 the difference is very little but hopefully you get my point

And as above I’m not after the best game performance however Ryzen does give me that in some titles , Ryzen gives me what I want , but if your at the very least a prosumer , let alone enthusiast it’s never going to be about the value proposition entirely , it’s just a small factor among many , the value proposition makes more sense half way down the product stack
 
But it ain’t the latest tech if your re using your board , I know it’s a technicality and I know between x370 and x470 the difference is very little but hopefully you get my point

And as above I’m not after the best game performance however Ryzen does give me that in some titles , Ryzen gives me what I want , but if your at the very least a prosumer , let alone enthusiast it’s never going to be about the value proposition entirely , it’s just a small factor among many , the value proposition makes more sense half way down the product stack

Well no, but it will obviously depend on what the next gen AMD motherboard brings to the table... it could be a lot, it could be relatively little. X370 still had some niggles and maturing to do, and X470 has resolved much of that, especially in regards to stability, RAM etc. If it turns out the next gen of boards offer way more in this respect (espcially OC'ing) then you have a point. We shall just have to wait and see. At least there is a good chance you'll still be able to get a nice performance bump simply by putting a new CPU in your board (and it makes sense AMD will want to satisfy their customer base in this regard), which is far more than you'd get with Intel where buying a new mobo is a requirement. Like you say, value proposition isn't EVERYTHING, but it's certainly a major consideration.
 
Bought into the 2700X hype, used for 2 weeks and now back on my 8700K. Straight away the [email protected] feels faster and snappier on the desktop. Just a nicer experience. While the 2700X is a good machine it does feel like its 2/3 generations behind Intel. For a reference I noticed very little difference coming from a [email protected] to a [email protected]

Where you have a need for all those cores and they can be fully utilised like in Cinebench it's a great, but .....

Don't expect new software to change the lanscape that much, for most people Mhz will be king, especially in gaming. If AMD can up the clock and maintain high average clocks across all cores then I would reconsider but until then I would stick with Intel.

I will be swapping out one of kids gaming machine which uses a 2600K for the 2700X. It will be interesting if they notice any difference....
 
Bought into the 2700X hype, used for 2 weeks and now back on my 8700K. Straight away the [email protected] feels faster and snappier on the desktop. Just a nicer experience. While the 2700X is a good machine it does feel like its 2/3 generations behind Intel. For a reference I noticed very little difference coming from a [email protected] to a [email protected]

Where you have a need for all those cores and they can be fully utilised like in Cinebench it's a great, but .....

Don't expect new software to change the lanscape that much, for most people Mhz will be king, especially in gaming. If AMD can up the clock and maintain high average clocks across all cores then I would reconsider but until then I would stick with Intel.

I will be swapping out one of kids gaming machine which uses a 2600K for the 2700X. It will be interesting if they notice any difference....

Sounds like you had issues if desktop is not fast with a Ryzen. :)
 
For those making a decision have a look here. Today's video.
Basically shows how narrow the scope is (GTX1080ti, 720p or 1080p) of choosing 8700K @ 5Ghz vs 2700X @ 4.2Ghz
Any lesser GPU or higher res or not pure gaming, 2700X is the better choice.

 
Bought into the 2700X hype, used for 2 weeks and now back on my 8700K. Straight away the [email protected] feels faster and snappier on the desktop. Just a nicer experience. While the 2700X is a good machine it does feel like its 2/3 generations behind Intel. For a reference I noticed very little difference coming from a [email protected] to a [email protected]

If you're noticing something in the DESKTOP, something is very much wrong with your system. Either that or you're imagining things.
 
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