Poll: Sack Race 2015/16

Who's getting it first?

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I say plenty of things I don't believe but I'm not quite that braindead. Do wonder how much of Pearson's work contributed, though, as much of a cretin he was.
 
nemtizz said:
I say plenty of things I don't believe but I'm not quite that braindead. Do wonder how much of Pearson's work contributed, though, as much of a cretin he was.
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Well they won 4/6 at the end of last season but that could just be Arsenal syndrome where most teams don't give that much of a **** unless they are fighting relegation or going for the title/top 4.

Robbo said:
Giggs as manager worries me. It's a gamble and a half. :(

Be better than LvG though, at least.
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What worries me most about Giggs is that we seem to be quite happy with modest targets and mediocrity for the most part these days.

If Giggs managed to get us top 4 he wouldn't be sacked. He could get us top 4 for the next 5 years and play average football and he wouldn't be sacked.

We are sticking with a man currently who has perhaps delivered half a dozen entertaining games in the last 2 seasons and whos greatest achievement with us was scraping into the CL spots last season with a fair bit of help from other teams results and the heroics of DDG. We have given him 200m+ to spend and managed to lure one of the top creative players in the world to us for a season and then misused him to the point of having to sell him at a loss the following summer. You buy a creative player who is head and shoulders above the rest of your players and you don't bother to build the team around him. Its better to lose the ball twice in a game and created nothing than it is to lose it 20 times and score / create a few goals isn't it LvG.

He has cleaned out the deadwood from the team bar the mighty rooney yet a few gems have been cleared out with them without being replaced. With the resources he has had, the support and patience he has had I would expect us to be fighting for the title this season. We are yet again watching **** football and wondering if we will scrape top 4 this season after limping out of an easy CL group and falling down the league. While our competition for top 4 gets better as the season progresses we get worse.

Any other top club in the world would have sacked him by now yet we seem to think that sacking managers is a reflection of short term-ism instead of pragmatism. At other top clubs you either win silverware or you had better be playing some bloody good football and making progress towards that silverware.

Sacking a **** manager isn't something to shy away from but replacing him with another unproven manager when you are already in the **** would just be another sign that Uniteds management are absolutely nuts.

I don't particularly want Mourinho to manage us but right now I would love him simply to restore some semblance of good football and excitement to our club.
 
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Robbo said:
Giggs as manager worries me. It's a gamble and a half. :(

Be better than LvG though, at least.
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I totally agree with this - but there is another option

Go all out for Pep for next season, and actually tell Giggs he has a 6 month contract to get the team back into (preferably top 3 , to avoid CL quali) but top 4 for definite.

Be open with Giggs all along, and say - you have this long but after that we want you to build experience else where before coming back in 5 - 10 or how ever many years (if elsewhere goes well).

Admittedly this could backfire as Pep is unlikely to come if Giggs were to fail top 4 spot (although not definite, as the club itself is still a big enough draw from a managerial point of view, and might even be a bigger draw if Pep WANTS to complete a total overhaul).

Mourinho is a good option, but I am VERY worried about how severely he may de-stabilise Man Utd as a club similarly to how he did to Chelsea this time around (esp Eva Carneiro situation, which he got critically wrong).

Either way Utd HAVE to make a change before 1/2 way point / before Jan window starts preferably - as morale appears so low, its going to take a bit of time before results take a big turn (if they do at all).


edit - I don't think the Di Maria situation is all LvG's fault, I honestly don't think the player suited the Premier league, it was also pretty evident the player didn't put his all in every match , and while it was near the end of the season the red card vs Arsenal was 100% the players fault, and being a mature player he should have known a lot better. Just one example of his attitude being completely off for most of the season. LvG was also clearly at fault playing him in random positions etc and not getting the most out of him.

Just like this season a lot of cases of incomprehensible starting XI's / sub choices and not playing the best players in their best positions when possible.
 
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Yeah, I think its fairly nailed on that Pep will be at City next season. I'm still not convinced that he is a world class manager either so I'm not that bothered. Have Barca suffered since he left? No, they are playing some of their best football in years. They are now deadly and good to watch. Has he improved Bayern? Not really, they used to be ruthless and put teams to the sword and now they are more focussed on possession. Yes they still destroy most teams and will canter to the BL but thats not really saying much as there is zero competition for the title in Germany.

All I think is going to happen is that we don't get rid of LvG until its too late and when we finally do get around to replacing him we will go "oh **** there are no top managers about because we dithered".

Why we are supposedly giving LvG another game is beyond me. Unless we batter stoke 5/6 - 0 I don't see how the game has any relevance. If we kept him till the end of the season he would win plenty of games simply because of the quality of opposition and the fact that every team will win occasionally, especially with the players we have.

I would get rid of him now, get Mourinho on board and give him 100m to spend on players in Jan. He will guarantee us top 4 and then he can rebuild the team and do whatever in the summer.

The only other option is to give Giggs the job for the next 6 months and hope that he doesn't make a complete mess of it to the point we can't tempt a top manager / there are none available.
 
Moses said:
I was reading an article yesterday which can was talking about how all the Bayern greats/people on their board think he's the best they've ever seen. What do they know? :p
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Fair enough. This is just my personal opinion on him. I think they were a better side before Pep took over. I have also heard that plenty of Bayern fans think the same but hey ho.
 
mourinho is really only uniteds option due to the colossal task. if they don't get him then they're in real trouble as there isn't really anyone else out there who would attempt the task and the timing was perfect. mourinho has a point to prove and what better way to prove it than to get united back into a positive ( as i'm sure chelsea will sooner or later )

united should have made their move after the defeat at norwich. £12m p/a £250m to spend and a clear out of whoever he doesn't want with these funds being available on top of the £250m.

a snip.
 
According to journo's (which is what you are basing your information on) Pep refused City previously also , so that makes no difference.

Just because he said no the last time has no relevance to whether he wants it this time or not (maybe he just didn't want to be the 1st manager after Fergie, which might well have been a good choice).

No one knows for sure where Pep will end up next season - it could be Chelsea (although rumours insist they are looking more at Simeone, but again no one knows).
 
Moses said:
Except everyone's basically reporting that he's nailed on for Citeh/Chelsea are desperate for him but he's never been interested, then if the first part is true you have to assume Manyoo have tried and failed (or they've been horribly negligent and haven't asked).
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I think people are working on the basis that he has ties to City and City have been after him for a while by all accounts so its much more likely that he will go there due to the groundwork they have probably put it. Its all complete speculation for the time being but I would be amazed if he comes to United.

To suggest that we could possibly be negligent in our managers searches is just ridiculous though :mad:
 
Decent analysis from Carragher on our style of play on MNF. Players too scared to be creative and too restricted to make any runs. How can LvG not see this, and why does he want this.

Really hoping we move for Mourinho before Boxing Day. Why wait?
 
Robbo said:
Decent analysis from Carragher on our style of play on MNF. Players too scared to be creative and too restricted to make any runs. How can LvG not see this, and why does he want this.

Really hoping we move for Mourinho before Boxing Day. Why wait?
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is Mou entertaining enough for you lot tho?
 
i know stats don't tell the whole story but there's a great 2 page feature on lvg in todays telegraph total football supplement where the stats show just how poor lvg is doing. united have the lowest shots on target for home games since october by quite some margin they're bottom of the table compared to spurs who are top.
 
You know its bad when the stats say you are a **** manager as well as everyone else.
 
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