And watch him slowly suck the life out of your club, publically slate your players when they don't perform. Basically blame everyone but himself for his failures.
But then can't deny he wins trophies for his clubs.
Poll: Sack Race 2015/16
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And watch him slowly suck the life out of your club, publically slate your players when they don't perform. Basically blame everyone but himself for his failures.
But then can't deny he wins trophies for his clubs.
I must admit I do agree with this opinion. I think I could have managed that Barcelona squad to a level of success. The same with Bayern. It would be interesting to see if he could deliver the same level of success with a team that does not have the likes of Messi, Iniesta or in the case of BM half of the German world cup team. Manchester United would provide him with that challenge!
As a United fan, I think LVG's time is up. Watching the team play is utterly depressing at the moment, and our players look deflated. Despite our squad deficiences I full anticipate that we won't react in the January transfer window.
With Pep and Mourinho both seemingly available. As another poster put it, the time to act is now. I would be over the moon to get any of these managers at United.
Mourinho is proven, time and time again with great squads and 'ok' squads. He isn't a long term solution with his detailed third season meltdown, but what he does bring is a track record of appealing to world class players. Players WANT to work for him (some of the Chelsea squad might differ in my opinion).
Pep has that same level of attraction, and he would also be a great choice. I would prefer Mourinho though.
Time will tell.
I hope he's going to City, tbh pelligrini has done a terrible job this year. With Chelsea imploding no one should have touched them. He deserves the boot, he can't get any consistency out of that squad. Wenger can't believe his luck.
I'm just really confused as to why we are sitting on our hands still. Mourinho is available and LvG needs to go. He could win both games against Stoke and Chelsea and it wouldn't change my mind that he needs to go. The only reason we are keeping him that I can think of is that we have someone lined up for the summer and don't want Giggs to take over until the end of the year.
We aren't going through a patch of bad form, we are simply getting the results that our brand of football deserves. What is more surprising is that we haven't been found out more earlier in the season. If we suddenly went back to scraping wins and getting draws and boring the hell out of everyone like the first half of the season, would the board be happy with that?
We could conceivable be in 10th place after the next two games and really struggling.
I can deal with exciting football and a lack of results because the results should come. I can deal with a more boring style (like the final few years of Fergie) as long as we are getting results but I would rather the former. What I can't understand is why a man who is delivering neither good results or average football is still at the helm.
We aren't going through a patch of bad form, we are simply getting the results that our brand of football deserves. What is more surprising is that we haven't been found out more earlier in the season. If we suddenly went back to scraping wins and getting draws and boring the hell out of everyone like the first half of the season, would the board be happy with that?
We could conceivable be in 10th place after the next two games and really struggling.
I can deal with exciting football and a lack of results because the results should come. I can deal with a more boring style (like the final few years of Fergie) as long as we are getting results but I would rather the former. What I can't understand is why a man who is delivering neither good results or average football is still at the helm.
Same here, I do not want Giggs to take over. Great player and a United legend, why do we would want to push him into this position again? He is simply not ready. Personally I do not think that our CL aspirations will be given to the hands of Ryan Giggs, not with the squad in its current state.
Newcastle did the same with Shearer and the stack of poor results he got almost left a sour taste in the Toon fan base. Lets not do this with our guy!
Pull the trigger with LVG now and get Mourinho, give him a chance to beat his old employers in a couple of games time
Newcastle did the same with Shearer and the stack of poor results he got almost left a sour taste in the Toon fan base. Lets not do this with our guy!
Pull the trigger with LVG now and get Mourinho, give him a chance to beat his old employers in a couple of games time
Giggs might be the next Guardiola but lets be honest, Guardiola wasn't asked to take an underperforming squad, buy some stars and then go and win the league in a few seasons. If we had just won the league, had a strong squad that didn't need much work I wouldn't have such an issue giving it a go but that is about as far from the truth as you can get.
Giggs never strikes me as the most intelligent or charismatic man going and I think he would struggle to attract top players and I think he would struggle to manage big players and their egos.
To be honest, if the next manager can offload Rooney and Fellaini I will be 90% happy.
Giggs never strikes me as the most intelligent or charismatic man going and I think he would struggle to attract top players and I think he would struggle to manage big players and their egos.
To be honest, if the next manager can offload Rooney and Fellaini I will be 90% happy.
With each passing hour it looks like LvG will be getting the Boxing Day game to save himself. But even if we win, it's unlikely anything will change after that.
Seems stupid to wait when we're almost certainly going to sack him, unless there's an absolutely massive turnaround in form and style.
Seems stupid to wait when we're almost certainly going to sack him, unless there's an absolutely massive turnaround in form and style.
Thats what I don't get. Its not like we are playing well and the results just aren't there. Every facet of his management is poor at the moment. Subs, team selection, tactics, morale, spirit, all of these are horrendous at the moment. A few wins won't change the fact that he is making a complete mess of things at the moment.
I'm just ******* sick of the retarded way United has been run the past few years. Good managers don't play appalling football for years then suddenly start playing amazingly and winning everything. Yes you can look at other teams who have stuck with managers and been rewarded (teams like Tottenham) but they have always shown the potential for great football which is held back by inconsistency in performances.
What has LvG managed. He has managed to get us playing amazingly consistently. He has managed to make sure that at almost no point in his tenure have we seen even glimpses of an exciting and dangerous side.
How people can genuinely believe that to be true to our history and heritage we need to back badly performing managers for years over appointing successful managers who might not last for 50 years. Its as if the United way is to stoically accept mediocrity under the guise of loyalty and "not being like club x". You know the club I don't want to be? Liverpool. I don't want to be watching United in 20 years talking about how we are still a "big" club because we used to be successful.
I'm going to prefix this by saying I want LVG replaced, preferable not by Giggs or Mourinho.
You have to take into consideration that LVG is not Moyes, while it's certainly not working out he is a manager who has won trophies everywhere he been and over a long period of time, he is hugely respected in the footballing world and players still want to play for him. The board have given him a lot of backing both verbally and financially and all this is hard to walk away from when your options are limited, I mean who are the viable other options?
Giggs? He's one of the biggest problems and should be sacked as well, he's at best done zero to help the previous two managers get hold of the dressing room and at worst has had a pretty big influence in the distension at the club.
Or Mourinho? Who has numerous times been described as the wrong man for the club by people high up at Old Trafford, who we know can bring short term success but is such a massive **** that will completely neglect the numerous good young players we have coming through (the one bright spot in LVG's reign), plus since when has Jose been a viable option when you want your team to play better football? Think we have negative now boring football now? Instead of 60 – 70% position and no attacking intent try 30 – 40% and exactly the same mentality to get forward.
It's a massive choice the club have to take and it will have long standing ramifications if they get it wrong again, and don't forget that 6 – 7 games ago people were talking about us being able to grind out a title challenge, despite playing terrible football.
LVG has a lot to answer for this season and has done enough to earn the sack, but not as simple as 'get rid of him and get xyz in', there are no guarantee's out there currently.
And no, Pep is not coming to UTD, I would love beyond words to be wrong, but I wont be.
You have to take into consideration that LVG is not Moyes, while it's certainly not working out he is a manager who has won trophies everywhere he been and over a long period of time, he is hugely respected in the footballing world and players still want to play for him. The board have given him a lot of backing both verbally and financially and all this is hard to walk away from when your options are limited, I mean who are the viable other options?
Giggs? He's one of the biggest problems and should be sacked as well, he's at best done zero to help the previous two managers get hold of the dressing room and at worst has had a pretty big influence in the distension at the club.
Or Mourinho? Who has numerous times been described as the wrong man for the club by people high up at Old Trafford, who we know can bring short term success but is such a massive **** that will completely neglect the numerous good young players we have coming through (the one bright spot in LVG's reign), plus since when has Jose been a viable option when you want your team to play better football? Think we have negative now boring football now? Instead of 60 – 70% position and no attacking intent try 30 – 40% and exactly the same mentality to get forward.
It's a massive choice the club have to take and it will have long standing ramifications if they get it wrong again, and don't forget that 6 – 7 games ago people were talking about us being able to grind out a title challenge, despite playing terrible football.
LVG has a lot to answer for this season and has done enough to earn the sack, but not as simple as 'get rid of him and get xyz in', there are no guarantee's out there currently.
And no, Pep is not coming to UTD, I would love beyond words to be wrong, but I wont be.
Why would it go wrong though? We have arguably the best finances in the league so settling for **** football and scraping top 4 is just idiotic. Do that for a few more years and you will lose a lot of fans. I am already at the point where really can't be bothered to watch our games unless there is literally nothing else to do. I preferred watching us under moyes because all least there was a perverted sense of excitement abou how we would lose games. Now we are just ditchwater dull.
Mourinho wouldn't be my first choice but we haven't got the luxury of cherry picking our manager. The talk about mourinho ignoring youth is a load of rubbish for the most part in my opinion as well. Since when have Chelsea or RM used their youth players. Chelsea have a policy of buying talent and loaning it out to see what sticks. RM are a ridiculous club mired by nutty fans and a crazy transfer policy. They want the best every year and expect to sign one or two of the worlds best every year.
We have already shown that we have little ambition so without the pressure of absolutely immediate results who knows how mourinho will manage. You can also try to ensure that he doesn't neglect youth.
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That's a good joke(I know he's played younger people in key positions/used them in key roles, but only because they're good enough at the time... I don't see as someone who has, or will, develop youth in a meaningful sense).
You may be right but what is it thathat makes people say he ignores youth. What Chelsea and RM youngsters have come through in the time he hasn't managed them. LvG has promoted so much youth because of the number of injuries and the fact he cleared our team down to the bare bones.
Daniel Taylor is one of the best Man Utd journalists, and he's done a piece detailing the clubs apprehension over Mourinho, but if he agrees to the terms it sounds like they'd go for it.
Ensuring he uses some youth players and attempts to bring them through isn't exactly that hard, he can put them on when we're winning, and so on.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/21/manchester-united-jose-mourinho-louis-van-gaal
Ensuring he uses some youth players and attempts to bring them through isn't exactly that hard, he can put them on when we're winning, and so on.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/21/manchester-united-jose-mourinho-louis-van-gaal
The most worry part of that article is that he says United were so pleased with lvg they wanted him to stay on longer than his contract. Have we really become so content with crap football and simply getting into the CL that lvg is performing well enough.
The warning signs for a run of bad form have been there since he arrived. I'm just surprised it has taken this long for it to happen.
A few papers and online articles saying he's agreed a 5 year deal to take over, but these are all using the same places as a source. So either it's a credible source, or people are having a slow news day
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ited-manager-Louis-van-Gaal-Manchester-United
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ited-manager-Louis-van-Gaal-Manchester-United
It would be a right now job. Your manager is failing and looking like getting worse so you would be mad to let him see out the second half of the season. If we were a mid table side with no aspirations beyond staying up then perhaps but I wouldn't fancy our chances of getting CL with LvG at the helm.