Poll: Sack Race 2015/16

Who's getting it first?

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JohnnyG said:
I don't think there's any top tier clubs who actually let their manager choose and buy players any more.
What seems to be the norm now is that a manager meets with the 'transfer committee' and they discuss the type of player they think the squad needs, agree on a few players they think will fit then it's left up to the money people and agents to get the best they can for the best deal they can.
The days of a manager having sole control are long gone.
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I don't think we do that, I think it's between the manager and Woodward.

It's really difficult to apportion blame when we don't have a clear idea of what goes on, but I do think our board are pretty relaxed and would make an effort to sign players the manager identifies (along with the scouts of course).

Regardless, I think the board will be really worrying now and want any sort of fix they can get. As long as Mourinho is given the necessary support, he should do well.
 
I can't sanction giving LVG any more money. The way we're playing, we could have Ronaldo, Bale and Messi and he'd tell them to pass it backwards or they'd be dropped and ostracised.

There just never was that level of trust between manager and players. The manager didn't trust the defence so played two DMs and told the attack to take zero risk, and the players didn't trust the philosophy, seemed to initially go along with it before basically going into full revolt and giving up.

It's very sad as I have immense respect for LVG, but short of him walking into a team set up for his "philosophy", he's never going to last more than a couple of seasons.
 
Can somebody explain to me the calls for Mourinho?

The biggest criticism of Moyes and now LVG, aside from results, was/is their style of football. Mourinho's not going to have you playing like Barca and he's just been sacked for doing far worse than either Moyes or LvG have done.
 
BaZ87 said:
Can somebody explain to me the calls for Mourinho?

The biggest criticism of Moyes and now LVG, aside from results, was/is their style of football. Mourinho's not going to have you playing like Barca and he's just been sacked for doing far worse than either Moyes or LvG have done.
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Mourinho sets up to stifle games and defend mostly in big games. Against lesser teams he's pretty attacking.

LvG's football is absolutely dreadful to watch and it's ineffective.

On top of that, who else is there? We're very short of options.
 
Pretty attacking? Not for me.

And you've got to ask whether it's wise to sack your manager if you're scratching around for replacements and the best you can come up with is an equally defensive coach that's just been sacked for doing worse than your current manager.
 
BaZ87 said:
Pretty attacking? Not for me.

And you've got to ask whether it's wise to sack your manager if you're scratching around for replacements and the best you can come up with is an equally defensive coach that's just been sacked for doing worse than your current manager.
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I don't think people will have a problem with being somewhat defensive, if there's effective attacking happening too.

As for Chelsea, I think the players create problems there, and I think Abramovich doesn't help either. I think we'd be a better place for him to work.

My first choice would have been Ancelotti, but that ship has sailed. I think, having considered everything, that Mourinho is worth a go.

The reality is, there's little point sticking with LvG by the look of things currently, his football is beyond dire (not defensive, just awful in every way). It's been poor for quite a long time and gets worse every game. I quite like LvG and have no problem with him as a person, I actually feel bad for him - even though he's being paid a fortune and is doing a bad job. I wish he could sort it out, but it's clear that he can't and won't. The players should shoulder the blame too, but they clearly aren't motivated and are being coached poorly.
 
sigma said:
Well he lost whatever he built at Chelsea, pretty quickly. Do we really need that kind of attitude at the club?
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It isn't clear exactly what happened. Something seemed off from pre-season with him and the squad and staff.

The evidence is that he will build a winning team, that is what we need. Who else is there? Where are all these alternatives? Giggs? Madness.

Looking at our current squad, with one, perhaps two additions, I could see a solid team forming there, one capable of giving most of the league a game. If it's fairly defensive but ensures we're in the top 4, giving us a better summer transfer window, that's fine by me.

LvG was given an entire season and several transfer windows to meet one goal (top 4) and then improve the team for a title challenge. Somehow, he's taken the team backwards despite spending more money.

Mourinho is a risk, but one we can't afford not to take.
 
I think Mourinho would have been very surprised by his sacking this time, it would have no doubt forced him to self reflect about the manner of his departure. This could be literally the best time to get Mourinho, if he's changed as a person because this whole saga
 
Trusty said:
I think Mourinho would have been very surprised by his sacking this time, it would have no doubt forced him to self reflect about the manner of his departure. This could be literally the best time to get Mourinho, if he's changed as a person because this whole saga
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Given the recent results before his sacking, it would be suprising if he wasn't expecting it actually.

Before he left - where were Chelsea, 1 point above the relegation zone?

Ok they had one of the best gk in the league (and /or world) injured for majority of those games, who is back now - but even given that with a huge amount of (theoretical) talent in the squad, they should be doing a lot better than they were before Mourinho was sacked

(for the record, the last bit can be applied to Utd also - with no disrespect meant to teams who have beaten Utd recently)


The ONE thing about Mourinho is that he is capable of attracting current (foreign) big talent where ever he is (not potential talent which is really the only thing Utd have attracted under LvG, or standard squad players)
To get Utd back into the top 4 (and preferably top 3) Utd WILL need two or three new players to come in in Jan and be ready to go from day 1, rather than potential talent that may take 6 months - a season to get used to the league. Unless Utd pay a fortune for each player (over what they are "worth") , I cant see the right players coming in from the right EPL teams so they will need to come from abroad and be mature players who perform week in week out.
 
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Moses said:
Why's it Guardiola, Ancelotti, or Mourinho? Why not a manager doing well at a club in one of the top five leagues? I don't know how they're all doing, but there must be some which stand out as people who could step up (I don't just mean eg. Simeone)? Or someone like Villas Boas or Pochettino? Or someone like Mark Hughes? No other names seem to mentioned other than the first four in this post!
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A fair point (Villas Boas?! :p), but who? Language is a consideration, as is availability.

Mourinho is, on paper at least, among the top few managers around, if not the best. Seems pretty simple to me. Though I do understand the various reservations people have.
 
Moses said:
Why's it Guardiola, Ancelotti, or Mourinho? Why not a manager doing well at a club in one of the top five leagues? I don't know how they're all doing, but there must be some which stand out as people who could step up (I don't just mean eg. Simeone)? Or someone like Villas Boas or Pochettino? Or someone like Mark Hughes? No other names seem to mentioned other than the first four in this post!
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Totally agree with this.

Bring in Pulis!
 
Simeone who is constantly linked with Chelsea from the summer (it seams) has a £15m buyout - and is unlikely to leave a team doing well in La Liga for a struggling team in a new league, however big the team are (and even if the board allowed him to )

Not only a language problem but its also taking a bit of a risk when top 4 is essential bringing in a manager who doesn't know the league at all.

Its not so bad for those teams lower down the league - they have less pressure on them (inside the club and outside), but Utd NEED a manager who can turn the team around instantly for the next 5 months consistently (and manage such a huge entity as Utd which in itself is a huge ask)

Get a younger manager (like Simeone for instance) over the summer so he can get to know those people behind the scenes etc, just how big a task he is taking on as well as the players - fair enough - but in the middle of the season that's too much imo

VB - yur having a laugh - and no reason why Poch would want to leave where he is right now (and dealing with Levy is always a pain in the ass anyway - no reason why he shouldn't be, but he is seemingly 10 times worse than other chairmen etc)
 
You think it can be turned around in 5 months? Not a single manager in the world could plug the holes in this team.

Whoever was in charge of recruitment in recent years has done a god awful job and they don't have the players for the siege mentality of Jose (who would be a terrible fit) or the style of football installed without compromise by Pep. Imagine them trying high line possession football when they can string 3 passes together.
 
Furthermore, whoever comes in needs 3 years at least, but most of the fans won't get behind that as they still think it's a world class team but lack of direction, fact is not a single united player would get into the lineup of Bayern/barca or real.... Even PSG for that matter
 
llamadal said:
Furthermore, whoever comes in needs 3 years at least, but most of the fans won't get behind that as they still think it's a world class team but lack of direction, fact is not a single united player would get into the lineup of Bayern/barca or real.... Even PSG for that matter
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Agreed, we're never going to win the league while those four teams are ahead of us.


Wait.
 
FrankJH said:
Given the recent results before his sacking, it would be suprising if he wasn't expecting it actually.
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I'm not so sure, you just have to look at the amount of managers and ex players that spoke out about thier disbelief over his sacking.
 
I really have no idea where the idea of sticking with a crap manager for years and winning things comes from. Who has ever done that. Top managers don't take years to build a good side unless they are doing it on a tight budget. We could have given Moyes 10 years and I don't reckon he would have won the league.
 
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