Maybe because systems and particular players that managers like can take years to form. Fergie took 6 years to win his 1st PL title.
All comes down to money like you say, if you got loads of it, you pretty much can go out buy whoever you want.
Poll: Sack Race 2015/16
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Maybe because systems and particular players that managers like can take years to form. Fergie took 6 years to win his 1st PL title.
All comes down to money like you say, if you got loads of it, you pretty much can go out buy whoever you want.
Who else has done that and where else. Even in the last 20 years I can't think of any side that has been given 6 years and then started winning the title consistently. I can't think of any manager given years to build a side who has had them playing dire football for years before suddenly it becomes amazing.
If a manager came into United and got us top 4 for a few seasons and was showing a constant improvement year on year in the quality of football he would be given time.
How much time do you give a manager who is playing some of the worst football in the league and taking us on a nice free fall down the table. Genuinely every other side in the league has played better than us at some point this season. Compare our best performance to every other teams and we would be bottom I reckon.
No, absolutely, but that's half the problem with managemant these days. Your sacked too early. If the football is going downhill season after season then fair enough. But sometimes it can take a season or 2 for things to click.
http://www.footballinsider247.com/n...s-managerial-ambitions-after-mourinho-sacking
I remember Henry saying this after the Mournho sacking. Chelsea were current PL champions and the manger got the sack. Something is very very wrong when things like that happen, it should'nt happen
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There are instances where you can see positives and give a manager time, but this is not one of them.
Finances play a huge part too. You can cut a lot of corners, and invariably money works in your favour. There's no reason to have to wait several seasons for results, that's stupid and will hurt us.
LvG was planned as a 2-3 season rebuilding job manager. That is not going at all according to plan. I think he's done all he can. Age is also working against him.
Mourinho could work with this squad, it has the capability to defend, but perhaps could do with a bit more pace for the counter attack (in January).
Finances play a huge part too. You can cut a lot of corners, and invariably money works in your favour. There's no reason to have to wait several seasons for results, that's stupid and will hurt us.
LvG was planned as a 2-3 season rebuilding job manager. That is not going at all according to plan. I think he's done all he can. Age is also working against him.
Mourinho could work with this squad, it has the capability to defend, but perhaps could do with a bit more pace for the counter attack (in January).
Yea, i haven't watched all the Man U games, i record the ones on the telly and watch them over at night but it does look like they are going down hill. Not getting through the European group stages is criminal, Even Moyes got to the QF. I think your biggest concern with LVG is his player recruitment. He's let players go that should still be there. You don't have to watch the games to be able to see that stuff. One striker in your team basically. Think of Fergies years, Cole, Yorke, Solskjær and Sheringham. 4 strikers all within a certain ability of each other. A tight defence can only do so much, they can't win you games.
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Actually thats the one thing That LvG has done well, clearing out the majority of carp players from the squad. Only two debatable players may have been kept imo Hernandez ( given the striker situation and lack of pace) but then would Utd have bought Martial - unlikely imo
The other player,Kagawa, a really fantastic player who never worked consistantly over here / at Utd ( I think LvG got rid of him anyway) - whether thats down to position in the team, the diff between the bundesliga and Epl or whatever else.
Everyone else needed to be got rid of imo like Rvp ( permanently injured anyway and was due a huge bonus had he stayed another year - performances were going way down as well when he did play), the Brazilian brothers ( who were effectively replaced by Shaw and Darmian, and I would still do the same deals today, even if the charachters were sad to see go) - I cant think of anyone else who was even debatable in keeping)
Admittedly even now we still have a few players who shouldnt be anywhere near the team ( Jones - permanantly injured for the most part and mot great when he does play, Valencia, fellaiini, Young - can do a job but surely Utd can attract better to name the obvious ones to start)
Love Carrick but its fair to say this season isnt great for him ( even being a notoriously late starter), allow his rolling 1yr contract to expire in the summer. Schweinsteiger has basically been awful for the most part, but he could still be useful to see games out once ( or if) Utd are in a winning position.
Actually a tight defence CAN win you games, but it has to be in conjunction with effective attacking play ( rather tham tryingcto bore your apponants to defeat).
Sitting in the bushes making notes.
Nani? Rafeal? It's all good and well getting rid of players, but you need to replace them with people fit for purpose which he hasn't done. I make it 4 players that could do a job this season, Nani, Hernandez, Janu, Raf. Thats a lot of players.
And you are misinterpreting what i mean by a good defence cant win you games. Or maybe i didn't explain myself properly. If you dont concede goals as team but you don't score any goals, youre only ever going to draw 0-0. Strikers win you games more often than a good defence. Look at Leicester for example. Goals against is pretty poor but theyve scored the most in the league...
I'm not saying it's everything. Just think about it for a second, if you concede no goals in the season and score no goals. You'll only ever draw 0-0. And tbf, Liverpool didn't win the title because of an individula error.
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Chelsea wouldn't of won the league last season without their brilliant defence. Liverpool still needed to score that game and get a result at Palace remember.
No it's not but what he's saying is that nor is defence.
No point having the best defence in the world if you don't score goals.
Southampton were a good case a couple of seasons ago - joint best defensive record in the league with Chelsea but we weren't scoring goals and so we finished 7th I think. An extra 10 goals over the season in crucial games that we ended up drawing and it would have been an easy top 4 for them.
edit - just checked, it was last season and it was 1 goal shy of joint best
Our 54 goals for was a bit misleading due to the 8-0 and 6-1, drop those to normal levels and our goals for was the same as the teams 10th downwards
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I'm not talking about in reality though, obviously both have to work in conjunction to win games. i'm talking about it philosophically. It's basically what Real Madrid have employed for so many years. We'll score more than you attitude. I brought this up as Man U have no ability to score goals, their pretty tight at the back but they are not scoring anything. If they had a few more striking options then they would be further up the table you would have thought.
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I mentioned Rafael (and his brother) in the original post and I would take Darmian over him (even with Valencia as a backup) as well as Chicharito, as for Nani he was a waste of space for the most part and certainly wasn't improving for the last two or three seasons he was with us and for right or wrong Hernandez was replaced by Martial and there are always "growing pains" with consistency with bringing in a player so young. It could also be said about Nani and Memphis (even though I was saying in the summer transfer thread , Memphis should be a sub for the 1st year or so because of the inconsistency)
I don't think anyone could have judged just how difficult Memphis would find the EPL, even given the above. He was ok in the initial CL quali games but for the most part in the EPL he has been invisible.
I think a few people mentioned in the transfers thread that Utd were gambling too much on youth /inexperienced players in the summer - with little to no consistant players to fall back on.
I don't even know who you mean by Janu?
Currently I would disagree about "strikers win you games more often than a good defence" . Obviously any team has to score before they can win - but a strong def/GK is just as important (if not more so) because you cant b 100% sure you can outscore majority of teams in the EPL because a lot of EPL teams nowadays have two or three decent players if not more - average defenders or gk's just don't cut it these days and get found out regularly
No it's not but what he's saying is that nor is defence.
No point having the best defence in the world if you don't score goals.
Southampton were a good case a couple of seasons ago - joint best defensive record in the league with Chelsea but we weren't scoring goals and so we finished 7th I think. An extra 10 goals over the season in crucial games that we ended up drawing and it would have been an easy top 4 for them.
edit - just checked, it was last season and it was 1 goal shy of joint best
That proves my point nicely - a very good defence is just as important - and trust in the creative players to find that one mistake every match and try to score from it.
Obviously Southampton cant afford the Silva's or Aguerro's of this world, but with that defence - even just having one of those players for 1/2 a season and you could have got top 4 easily......but that's only because the defence was so tight - Aguerro with Sunderland's defence for example wouldn't make a jot of difference because they leak too many to start with - even if he gets three every game.
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