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Neville can't have much time left at Valencia. Would've been better for Rafa to go back there imo.
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He wouldn't have taken it. I said earlier in the thread, the Real job was probably the only job he'd have taken over a return to England. IINM he even states in his first interview at Newcastle that being close to his family was part of the reason for taking the job.
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Any reasoning behind that statement?
Neville is very intelligent and knows the game inside out as shown by his time as a Sky pundit, if you're going to promote someone to manage a big club without having to first having to prove themselves and based purely on them being from the 'Class of '92' he'd easily be top pick.
Giggs sitting there like a halfwit staring into space reminds of Pearce under Capello. I ****ing hate Giggs so I hope they give him the job so I can see how hard and long it is before they sack him for someone a club like United should be employing, the best. I think Neville had good potential but that was a job far too soon, much like United would be for Giggs.
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Sky punditry is just that, it's not the ability to teach ideas to players, it's not the ability to motivate a team, it's not the ability to train players or know how to best improve the fitness of players.
What Neville does on Sky as a pundit has next to nothing to do with management. He's basically taking video and saying, with hindsight, that player should be in that hole, that player should be over here, that keeper should have gone earlier.
Aside from that, lets pretend punditry has any bearing on ability to be a manager, what does Neville seeming intelligent on Sky have to do with knowing he's the most intelligent of the class of '92? Giggs hasn't worked for Sky, so you have no idea if he'd be better or worse than Neville as a pundit but you assume Neville is the best choice?
How many managers are actually good pundits, though saying that most of the managers who end up on the pundit panels are not great managers.
Then we've got the if you're going to pick anyone who hasn't proven themselves factor, who says Giggs hasn't proved himself. Who says he didn't do his coaching badges, got higher marks, impressed more people within the programs. Who says he's not brilliant within training at Utd and doesn't regularly suggest improvements to training sessions. Who says that Neville isn't poorly regarded for his work with England?
It just irks me, people constantly say "oh, he'd be crap as a manager" based off seemingly nothing at all. How good a player they are, how good they are at talking on tv, what type of person the media leads you to believe that person is, it's all basically irrelevant to how good a ex-player will be as a manager. Also on that point, Neville hasn't failed as a manager, he failed as the Valencia manager. More specifically, a guy who doesn't speak Spanish took over a team playing ever worse midway through a season and didn't do well. He could have done well, he could have done badly, he could still turn into the best manager ever, or might never take another job.
Really taking his first managerial job in a country where he doesn't speak the language or at least a language the majority of the players know was beyond a bad decision.
Perhaps it's easier to say that with hindsight, but when the opportunity is presented in the way that it was you can't blame him for giving it a go.
I hope that he is given another chance one day, but I expect he will probably need to bide his time either as an assistant with someone more experienced and/or going up from the lower leagues.
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I imagine one of the lower tier premier league teams would be willing to give him a go, his expertise is really on the premier league
I think he has what it takes to be a decent coach, without seeing his backroom work we couldn't begin to predict if he'll become a top coach.
Agree somewhat with DM, but as you say maybe too good an opportunity. But he really couldn't have picked a more difficult job to take, Valencia are a big reputation club and adding the language barrier (and the old idiot brother), it's basically setting the treadmill to full tilt/speed.
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No reason why he couldnt do well in a low EPL team - he will have a wealth of knowledge on majority of the players / teams /managers that he didnt have over in Spain (or to anywhere near the same extent), and there will be no communication issue at all.
Valencia was always a huge risk, even if he was already a friend / business colleague of the owner.
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No, that was said by a ludicrous number of people when he took the job. Taking a job where communication is one of the most important things you will do... having no direct ability to communicate with your players is a very bad idea.
It was discussed widely in regards to Moyes both at the time of his appointment and when he was finally fired, language was a huge issue for a guy who had more than a decade of managerial experience. Would a Chinese company hire a non Cantonese speaking CEO? Would Apple hire a non English speaking CEO?
There are managers who have gone abroad or foreign managers coming to England with lacking communication skills however most of those managers had experience of managing and were able to speak fairly well fairly quickly. Combining both in your first job is something I can only really think of Neville as having done. Poch didn't speak on camera in English for a long time because he didn't want to be misunderstood on camera, by all accounts he was speaking English to his players very quickly.
Taking over a troubled squad, midseason, with no experience and no ability to talk directly to the players was stupid. It still could have worked, but that doesn't mean the odds weren't so heavily stacked it was still a very poor choice.
Jose Mourinho has a job offer:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/13712/e...5682/mourinho-offered-syria-national-team-job
http://www.goal.com/en/news/13712/e...5682/mourinho-offered-syria-national-team-job