Scottish Elections Result
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'Douglas' 'Douglas' "Ye shall all die thieves of England'
It's a quote from the wars of independence from a guy called the Black Douglas - more for the 'economic' side than the 'death'.
It was a tongue in cheek pish take to the likes of the xenophobic morons that have surfaced in here, but even they are too stupid to understand irony and sarcasm so...
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I can certainly see Scottish independence on the horizon now. Cameron is giving it all the I love the Union talk BUT its in their interests to have an independent Scotland given that the bulk of Tory vote is in England. Interesting times ahead.
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All the arguing in this thread
Why can't we all just get along for our MUTUAL benefit? This island is bloomin' tiny for crying out loud...
Hear Hear!! First bit of sense.
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Trying to read it neutrally I can see why people might view that as being aggressive, it might be a fair question but with the internet you obviously lose a lot of the tone so while you may be charming enough in real life (Ahleckz seems to have fallen under your spell and you've not even met yet
) to not be offensive. When asking that on the internet it's much more difficult to convey the same impression.Also you might want to edit the words that I've starred as they're probably viewed as disguised swearing.
What, my sig?
The difference between the way I approach the subject and the historic vitrolic statement in my sig should be obvious and it has nothing to do with prejudice. It was borne from repeated experiences here from the that side and was a joke. More sensible people in SC don't seem to have this problem.
So the opposite side would be I am actually professing that all of England will die?
I think it ridiculous when I have clearly offered direction and positivity towards England as state in this discussion. England has a long and proud history and has often held interest with me; shame I can't say the same about all its occupants mind..
it might be a fair question but with the internet you obviously lose a lot of the tone so while you may be charming enough in real life (Ahleckz seems to have fallen under your spell and you've not even met yet
I can see that, but what plat came out with is a lot of guff.
I'm not anti English (or I'd have to be anti-some of my own family even), and I have not displayed anything like that in my postings.
I think you lot need to issue a list of what's ok and what's not! Don't know where to tread these days.
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The Scottish Lib dems knew it wasn't going to be easy for them before the election by openly distancing themselves from the UK Lib Dems. They really shot themselves in the foot and I can't see them recovering...ever.
I'm not to sure on Alex I think he's a bit misunderstood, yes when he's in full blown mode he can look smug (hard not too with opposition like that) but in real life he is actually a very soft mannered and gentle man. And very kind too.
Like anyone on the soapbox they get carried away with their own argument, and no doubt that has to come across.
But, according to the leader polls and other politicians - he is clearly the only man with Scotland's backing to take Scotland forward regardless of SNP policy.
And I happen to think they are right...
Like anyone on the soapbox they get carried away with their own argument, and no doubt that has to come across.
But, according to the leader polls and other politicians - he is clearly the only man with Scotland's backing to take Scotland forward regardless of SNP policy.
And I happen to think they are right...
Man of Honour
Nothing to do with the signature, it was the "and what's it got to do with you" in regard to whether you have issues with Westminster. As I say it may be a perfectly fair question but it possibly comes across as rather forceful or aggressive. It's up to you of course if you feel like altering it at all but thought I'd highlight how it might appear to others.
Thanks for editing there, I don't know if such a list could be offered but I'll raise the point that there may be a lack of clarity and see if any guidance can be offered.
Exactly it was seriously annoying. He is using my politics as being different to his as justification to get short and snappy with me before the discussion has even taken place by his own admission, I have not done the same with anyone else who has come here for a topical discussion.
It really has nothing to do with him, I'm fed up with being prejudiced for my political and historic views - and he clearly showed that initially with his tone, and all the other (you hate x y z) before I said anything like that.
I am genuinely sorry you have read that this way, and if anything makes me even more determined not to post threads on this topic here again.
I have spent three days continually answering questions, someone gets short with me then I'm disparaged for nipping back. If even a Scotsman thinks this of my postings what's the bloody point eh
Please, because I don't know what's left from right with moderation these days
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I'm trying to be even handed here and point out how it could look to other people, personally it wouldn't offend me in the least but then again I'm pretty difficult to offend. You don't have to take any notice of what I'm saying, any advice given is to be used or ignored as you see fit.
I have asked about the words that are/aren't allowed, I doubt it'll be possible to do a list as that partially defeats the point but there may be some better guidance that can be given.
To be fair to Biohazard, he hasn't posting any anti-English comments and I've come up against him a few times in the thread (although he's admitted himself he dislikes central Government - maybe he'll start feeling that way about the SNP if they gained independence ha). Differing opinions that won't budge and I still think his his economics are flawed but that's what forum discussions usually end up being. No one budges I also think he hasn't really trolled, he might have experienced less aggression if he had posted a bit more of a numeric evidence to back up his arguments and keep the people who don't understand his views are for his economic reasons (again, which I disagree with) rather than nationalist reasons.
I also think he hasn't really trolled, he might have experienced less aggression if he had posted a bit more of a numeric evidence to back up his arguments and keep the people who don't understand his views are for his economic reasons (again, which I disagree with) rather than nationalist reasons.I'm just fed up with it.
I'll draw an example. Erm I'll use Castiel not too sure how happy he'll be though but hang on..
You no doubt remember how we bounced off each other with on British history etc with little love lost for a long time. We both worked past that and when we chat now, we speak on very amicable terms. I actually quite often enjoy conversations with him, and even though we know we are diametrically opposed on politics it doesn't stop us discussing them civily and it is rarely pre-loaded if ever now.
Where as on the other side there are some who will regardless of my presentation at present before they post, or actual blooming argument, come in banding about a bunch of misrepresentations and insults about me.
And yes, I do get insulted if someone says I am anti-English. (But that's the age old 'British' defence isn't it if I'm allowed any cynicism here anymore.
) I'm as near as a 'hippy' global socialist deep down as you can get morally, and while I might have a penchant for historic social and political difficulties in the UK that does mean I hold prejudice for each and every one of those instances all boiled up in a big hate cauldron, which a lot of people try to infer.
I have also pointed out that in the context of this hypothetical discussion several times that we need all countries in the British Isles to be successful, we are neighbours friends and major trading partners.
We need that right now too. The only problem is the only way I can do what I do is to critique the failure so in effect it makes me look like a negative person, and unfortunately a lot of people don't like to look at failure on the things I do.
This is quite why I can't bring my discussions to OcUK and rarely do, I'll wait for other's to post the topics I want to talk about. Like colonial history, I brought that up years ago but it wasn't productive it wasn't worth the time.
I needed the cover of the British Prime Minister to discuss that rationally here for some.
I'm not the only one to have these problems either. If you raise them, they are ignored or (dare I say it? you know I will) you are bigoted or Anti-English.
I may spout rhetoric sometimes, it's really hard not to.
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Oh cheers, not all hope is lost then
Don't worry I'm not a sychophant and I've got politics views beyond the SNP, I've had a few things to say about them over the last four years but not here as there is not really a lot of activity on these topics obviously. But other forums, blogs and websites yes.
But they have also done a lot right, and with this election as a push in momentum hopefully they can achieve a lot more without the oppose everything regardless 'Labour'.
It might sound like hyperbole, but if you know Scottish politics and can look at it impartially (yes I also have those skills) then that was what it was - regardless of the benefits to Scotland. They didn't want to let the SNP have success. Negativity rarely prevails as we have now seen.
I've said it before to anyone involved in Unionist politics, the arguments for the Union are going to have be in line with this positivity or it is likely to be lacking in effectiveness.
Differing opinions that won't budge and I still think his his economics are flawed but that's what forum discussions usually end up being. No one budges
The long term economic case is there for Scotland as it is for England/Wales seperately.
At the moment unless we strip the UK's world stance down to basic defence and lose all the other costly expensive custume jewellery we are likely to continue adding to the debt of the nation in the long term in my opinion. The political map looks very different over the last two years up to today across the UK, but it won't stay like this for ever. I know the reasoning behind a potential Conservative UK government next term, perhaps, but eventially it'll slide again. I am near firmly set in the argument that swing majority politics in this one size fits all economic/social approach is not working - and it causes a lag effect on the whole UK economy overall.
This is why we have devolution, Nat's all over Scotland metaphorically, ceding of more economic powers etc. What would stop this perhaps would be true federalist system, I can't see the Establishment going for it though. Westminster is a fickle thing, as has recently been evidenced.
I'm a Tory at heart economically, and instead of running off to London I'd rather stay here and stick with a socialist party who has a Scotlands economic interests at it's heart (then turn coat on them lol). Full unbridled fiscal autonomy may actually stop my nationalist want if the UK lost the costly stance and pretence.
I don't want my taxes to go to that nonsense, simply.
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Its all very well 'having Scotlands interest at heart', but if there isn't any brains behind it, then it falls apart doesn't it.
Salmond should be partially applauded for his green push, however he has taken it too far and our energy security is in limbo, there is a number of different scenarios running around from various sources, but one thing leading academics and engineers agree on is this - Scotland is screwed. The idea that wind farms will make a significant contribution is laughable - and before someone starts getting their stats out, the amount they can contribute is starting to wane, put the stats into perspective and you will see that Scotland will have to rely on coal and gas at crucial times.
Scotland has also been rushed in to this green uprising, but that means we have invested loads of money on a rush job, as a result loads more money is being spent trying to fix the errors because the politicians put too much pressure and expectations on our engineers. Sure it might look good that we are building these things, but other countries that spend more time researching, developing and perfecting the technologies will have the last laugh.
There are parts of glasgow that have been compared to africa living and health standards wise, which is pathetic for such a rich country. Its not about uneven distribution of wealth, its about education and giving them opportunities, I remain sceptical that this will change over the SNP's next 4 years.
as for the questions 'what do scots think of alex salmond'
That depends on who you ask, its easy to see why he gets praise, Im sure if you met him down the pub he would be a nice guy and he is a fantastic public speaker, however speak to higher class and educated society in Scotland and you will find many who despise him. My parents who are medically trained in the NHS cant understand the decision to employ 20 times more administrative staff than doctors which happened one year.
Speak to a respectable engineer that has even a partial amount of knowledge about energy and they will most likely despise the man, much like I do.
How we (the UK and Scotland) will compete in the world stage over the coming years leaves me with many questions. We will need an army of engineers and scientists to ensure we have a constant supply of potable water, energy security, coastal defences, a transformed infrastructure network to take into account the decline in use of cars, a vast range of sustainability problems such as food and commodity supply and other problems as well.
Instead the SNP are wasting money allowing any old cat to go to university, the amount of time wasters I encountered at university was almost insulting. Flashy policies like prescription charges and arsing around with sports events and crap.
The lack of intergenerational commitments is truly sad given what our country has achieved which propelled us onto the world stage.
When resource depletion and lack of constant energy supply (or outrages prices) kick in, I wonder how people will think of Alex Salmond. Unfortunately it will be too late by then.
Salmond should be partially applauded for his green push, however he has taken it too far and our energy security is in limbo, there is a number of different scenarios running around from various sources, but one thing leading academics and engineers agree on is this - Scotland is screwed. The idea that wind farms will make a significant contribution is laughable - and before someone starts getting their stats out, the amount they can contribute is starting to wane, put the stats into perspective and you will see that Scotland will have to rely on coal and gas at crucial times.
Scotland has also been rushed in to this green uprising, but that means we have invested loads of money on a rush job, as a result loads more money is being spent trying to fix the errors because the politicians put too much pressure and expectations on our engineers. Sure it might look good that we are building these things, but other countries that spend more time researching, developing and perfecting the technologies will have the last laugh.
There are parts of glasgow that have been compared to africa living and health standards wise, which is pathetic for such a rich country. Its not about uneven distribution of wealth, its about education and giving them opportunities, I remain sceptical that this will change over the SNP's next 4 years.
as for the questions 'what do scots think of alex salmond'
That depends on who you ask, its easy to see why he gets praise, Im sure if you met him down the pub he would be a nice guy and he is a fantastic public speaker, however speak to higher class and educated society in Scotland and you will find many who despise him. My parents who are medically trained in the NHS cant understand the decision to employ 20 times more administrative staff than doctors which happened one year.
Speak to a respectable engineer that has even a partial amount of knowledge about energy and they will most likely despise the man, much like I do.
How we (the UK and Scotland) will compete in the world stage over the coming years leaves me with many questions. We will need an army of engineers and scientists to ensure we have a constant supply of potable water, energy security, coastal defences, a transformed infrastructure network to take into account the decline in use of cars, a vast range of sustainability problems such as food and commodity supply and other problems as well.
Instead the SNP are wasting money allowing any old cat to go to university, the amount of time wasters I encountered at university was almost insulting. Flashy policies like prescription charges and arsing around with sports events and crap.
The lack of intergenerational commitments is truly sad given what our country has achieved which propelled us onto the world stage.
When resource depletion and lack of constant energy supply (or outrages prices) kick in, I wonder how people will think of Alex Salmond. Unfortunately it will be too late by then.
I think the UK could still use the Union Flag, from a heraldic point of view it might be a bit off but it would be a better time for wales to get a bit more prominance?
Dragon somewhere!! lol
What about this?
The australians still have the flag in theirs, would they have to change thiers like a domino effect?
Dragon somewhere!! lol
What about this?
The australians still have the flag in theirs, would they have to change thiers like a domino effect?
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The latter. The blue background and white cross come from St Andrew's Cross whereas the two red crosses and white background are from St George's Cross and St Patrick's Cross.
