Scottish Inderef Mk2 - lets have a civilized discussion folks.

ubersonic said:
Actually only 24%, with 37.75% anti Brexit. But my point was that she is making Brexit her main reason for a second referendum when most Scots were either in favour of it or simply didn't care either way. It's not a very solid campaigning platform.
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to be fair, I don't think she is using brexit as the reason - she's calling out the government for not wanting to make any compromise on the hard brexit line they seem insistent on. If it looked at all like there would be any compromise or even discussion with parliament then she wouldn't have called for it - imo she really doesn't want to have a referendum at this point but she simply didn't have a choice, her dream would be for May to deny it
 
ubersonic said:
Actually only 24%, with 37.75% anti Brexit. But my point was that she is making Brexit her main reason for a second referendum when most Scots were either in favour of it or simply didn't care either way. It's not a very solid campaigning platform.
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I understand the point you're making, I just find your description of the stats a bit misleading so I provided an alternative wording (although you are technically correct, of course).
You could equally say that 76% of Scots are having something forced upon them which they didnt vote for.
 
eddiemcgarrigle said:
Oh dear, didn't you notice the slip of the tongue when he states that it is English money?
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Yeah but you're as bad as him calling it Scottish tax money. Scotland already gets more tax money spent per capita than the rest of the UK, yet you're still blaming the UK government for your problems. I can't wait for you to vote leave honestly, and I know Scotland will vote leave this time
 
This thread is going to be hilarious over the next couple of years. Posters already getting worked up and its only just been announced.

All the best for Scotland like, but this thread is gonna be mega! :D
 
It's completely misleading the way they call it a vote on Scottish independence when the first thing they'll do is sign up to the failing EU and it's ever closer union (more centralised power and less democracy).

The next Scottish referendum if there is one should be a choice between the United Kingdom and European Union, or May should demand a clause that if an independent Scotland tries to join the EU then it triggers such a referendum.
 
mmj_uk said:
It's completely misleading the way they call it a vote on Scottish independence when the first thing they'll do is sign up to the failing EU and it's ever closer union (more centralised power and less democracy).

The next Scottish referendum if there is one should be a choice between the United Kingdom and European Union, or May should demand a clause that if an independent Scotland tries to join the EU then it triggers such a referendum.
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But the independence is from the UK. Surely the argument is that the people who want independence feel that the benefits to being in the UK is mainly at the expense of their country. I dont think its hypocritical to want to leave the UK and join the EU since they could well end up with more power on a local level and where it matters to those people and benefit financially in ways such as be the bridging gap for trade between the EU, rest of UK and English speaking western countries, much like how the UK is a gateway to the EU for the US companies that base themselves here atm.

My argument isn't for or against this, just that it isn't as simple as 'take back control from anyone but a Scot!' and i can see why there are people on both sides of the argument.
 
Regardless of peoples' opinions on the SNP, they can't really lose here.

They embarrass the Tories with no rational way to fight back, and even if parliament denies the request, the SNP empower themselves further against any Tory rise in Scotland. Though it does kill a more convenient referendum in the future.
 
Harlequin said:
Labour were running a surplus ? they had free money? you understand that? I think you are getting confused with debt
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Technically speaking John Major's government created a surplus, Blair/Brown then spent it all, then took out loans and spent them, then raided the pension fund and spent that, then sold the gold, etc, etc.
 
ubersonic said:
Depends, without a majority the SNP have to win a vote first before they can ask, and that's not guaranteed when the non SNP politicians all know that support for a referendum is lower than last time.
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It's even more unlikely to get blocked at holyrood than westminster, labour have already said they wouldn't stand in the way of it, the greens have said they would back it so there's the majority - snp politicians are too well drilled to step out of the party line on something like this, as much as we are told people want it or don't want it it's unlikely they would take the decision against the party to stop people being afforded the opportunity to vote...
 
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