Scottish Inderef Mk2 - lets have a civilized discussion folks.
Soldato
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probably completely unrelated to and indy referendum, just her being a useless waste of air
Scotland's devolved government has more control over it's own affairs/taxation then Wales/NI (and was given even more in 2016 as per promises made during the last referendum campaign) and England doesn't even have a devolved government.
Thus Scotland has it better than any other UK nation.
Soldato
No doubt I won't get a vote as an expat Scot just the same as I didn't get a vote as an expat Brit.
The great disenfranchised.
Makes it hard for me to care either way.
Scotland has its own currency, laws, courts, education, parliament. It really should be a country.
Yes it might have to survive on less cash than it currently has but so what? I'm sure it won't have to pay 59 billion to service the debt or whatever the current UK deficit is (seems to change depending on which paper you read).
I think her timing is pure politics and not really what's good for the nation, however the UK gov has really forced her hand by pushing for a hardest brexit possible.
The great disenfranchised.
Makes it hard for me to care either way.
Scotland has its own currency, laws, courts, education, parliament. It really should be a country.
Yes it might have to survive on less cash than it currently has but so what? I'm sure it won't have to pay 59 billion to service the debt or whatever the current UK deficit is (seems to change depending on which paper you read).
I think her timing is pure politics and not really what's good for the nation, however the UK gov has really forced her hand by pushing for a hardest brexit possible.
Soldato
Whatever the actual figure is doesnt matter. Scotland will surely have to take on a proportion of the debt so the money paid servicing the debt will be the same.
It has banknotes which are legal proxies for British pounds held by the issuing banks, that's not really having your own currency, just saying.
A large portion of that debt/deficit is due to the collapse of the Scottish banking sector, so the chances of Scotland leaving the UK and not taking on it's fair share of the debt are basically zero, the public would not stand for it.
Indeed, it's what's good for her.
Soldato
Id let them have a ref but delay it for 5 years so the whole Brexit thing can be done and dusted - if it ends up a disaster or not then they can vote to stay or leave based on what has actually happened.
Soldato
Here's a novel idea perhaps the Scots shouldn't overwhelmingly vote for a national party whose raison d'être is an independent Scotland
How many MPs are SNP? what percentage?
Why doesn't Scotland vote for another party instead of the nats both at MSP and MP level?
It's strange to see a country return such a huge number of nationalist politicians yet still refuse their views on independence it's something I struggle to understand.
The problem with that, is that the SNP would then work to actively make the Brexit thing a disaster (not that I think it won't be anyway...).
Soldato
As of the 2016 election the SNP has 63 of the 129 Scottish parliament members, it's not a majority anymore.Here's a novel idea perhaps the Scots shouldn't overwhelmingly vote for a national party whose raison d'être is an independent Scotland
Soldato
Lunacy? If you say so. Let's begin. When is Scottish tax revenue not Scottish tax revenue? When it is English money.
Yeah, it wasn't the UK government that forced her hand (most Scots are either pro-Brexit or don't care either way) what forced her hand was the SNP itself, she is leader of the majority party, that party expects a call for a second referendum whether the political climate is favourable or not and the longer she delayed the more her position as SNP leader would become threatened.
It's comparable to if UKIP had won a majority in the 2015 UK election and then Farage delayed calling an EU referendum, his party wouldn't be pleased and rebellion would brew.
Caporegime
Soldato
Only a quarter of Scots were pro-Brexit.
It's not Scottish tax revenue or English money, it's UK tax revenue and British money
Actually only 24%, with 37.75% anti Brexit. But my point was that she is making Brexit her main reason for a second referendum when most Scots were either in favour of it or simply didn't care either way. It's not a very solid campaigning platform.
Soldato
Page nine and I don't see any Scottish members postings 'hands off our oil'.
Disappointed
Also these threads aren't the same without biohazard's blatant hatred of the English
Disappointed
Also these threads aren't the same without biohazard's blatant hatred of the English
Soldato
Oh dear, didn't you notice the slip of the tongue when he states that it is English money?
Page nine and I don't see any Scottish members postings 'hands off our oil'.
Disappointed
Also these threads aren't the same without biohazard's blatant hatred of the English
It's not worth anything now, they can have it.
Would be a shame to see the union split up, I'd rather see a change so each country has more devolved powers (including England) but if Scotland did go its own way we would still want them to do well as you don't want a poor neighbour.