Shooting at live Twitch Madden tournament - four reported to be dead

Avenged7Fold · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:04

Roar87 said:
So around 4,500 will die from asteroids? Ok.

I didn't make the odds and they come from a independent, dedicated council. Maybe they made some leaps in thinking and assumptions based on how built up the US will be in the following decades.

I was just correcting someone when they assumed it was the odds of being killed per year rather than per lifetime. I think we can all agree that the asteroid figure is going to be way off due to the lack of data and documentation on asteroid deaths...

You are welcome to refute the gun assault statistic with other figures, though i don't think pointing to an asteroid death estimate will convince anyone.

Roar87 · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:05

Avenged7Fold said:
I didn't make the odds and they come from a independent, dedicated council. Maybe they made some leaps in thinking and assumptions based on how built up the US will be in the following decades.

I was just correcting someone when they assumed it was the odds of being killed per year rather than per lifetime. I think we can all agree that the asteroid figure is going to be way off due to the lack of data and documentation on asteroid deaths...

You are welcome to refute the gun assault statistic with other figures, though i don't think pointing to an asteroid death estimate will convince anyone.

I don't even know what a gun assault is, am I shot? Did I get hit with the gun? Am I dead or alive? It's a dumb graph.

Avenged7Fold · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:11

Roar87 said:
I don't even know what a gun assault is, am I shot? Did I get hit with the gun? Am I dead or alive? It's a dumb graph.

Given it is about causes of death, I assume it is the cause of death due to an assault by someone wielding a firearm. This is to differentiate it from statistics that include suicides.

Sankari · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:14

These Twitch streamers are getting out of hand.

Quartz · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:23

Tefal said:
People don't die at the age of one typically....

A certain percentage of infants can be expected to die at the age of one.

Quartz · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:26

Avenged7Fold said:
Lifetime odds

Yes, and there are 350 million Americans, all living actuarially-expected lifetimes. So in any one year one in 370 of those 350 million - or, roughly one in a million - should die from guns according to those statistics.

Sankari · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:27

'Coming for a drink after the game?'
'Sure, I'll have a few shots.'

Ayahuasca said:
I’d advise against clicking the link unless you want to ruin your Sunday night, those screams man

I've seen and heard a lot worse. This is small potatoes, tbh.

Sankari · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:34

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Ayahuasca · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:39

Evangelion said:
'I've seen and heard a lot worse. This is small potatoes, tbh.

Well that’s obvious if you go looking for it, even without video footage the screams are still pretty chilling given the environment this happened in. It doesn’t need to be compared to some Mexican on ******** getting the chainsaw treatment...

Sankari · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:42

Ayahuasca said:
Well that’s obvious if you go looking for it, even without video footage the screams are still pretty chilling given the environment this happened in. It doesn’t need to be compared to some Mexican on ******** getting the chainsaw treatment...

Yeah, but this is so commonplace in America, I can't even muster up enough emotion to care about it. In any other Western country it would be a major event. In the USA, it's just another Monday.

Roar87 · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:44

Evangelion said:
Yeah, but this is so commonplace in America, I can't even muster up enough emotion to care about it. In any other Western country it would be a major event. In the USA, it's just another Monday.

I'm not sure how the country this is happening in affects how you feel about the victims, as if it's their fault for living in America?

Sankari · 28 Aug 2018 at 12:48

Roar87 said:
I'm not sure how the country this is happening in affects how you feel about the victims

For the same reason I'm not moved to tears by photos of starving children in Sudan: because it's so predictable, it's no longer shocking. After a while, low level compassion fatigue kicks in.

In the case of the USA, there's also the issue that Americans recognise the problem but refuse to take any sensible measures against it. This also reduces my capacity to care.

UberTiger · 28 Aug 2018 at 13:02

Evangelion said:
These Twitch streamers are getting out of hand.

Yeah, the lengths these guys are going through to get a few new subs is pretty mad.

willhub · 28 Aug 2018 at 14:53

Typical USA, that's what they get for their gun laws.

Roar87 · 28 Aug 2018 at 14:58

willhub said:
Typical USA, that's what they get for their gun laws.

Break down your sentence logically, you're implying someone deserved to be shot for being American? The victims didn't choose the laws, they didn't commit some immense act of stupidity which caused them to deserve death, and them and their families are the only only victims here

adolf hamster · 28 Aug 2018 at 15:08

Roar87 said:
Break down your sentence logically, you're implying someone deserved to be shot for being American? The victims didn't choose the laws, they didn't commit some immense act of stupidity which caused them to deserve death, and them and their families are the only only victims here

i thought america was a democracy, where the people did choose the laws, or am i missing something

Sui · 28 Aug 2018 at 15:51

BBC article claims he has previously been hospitalised for mental health issues, and that he legally bought 2 guns.

Says a lot about the problem in America, but I don't think there is really a fix, nothing that's going to change it in the next 20+ years.

Avenged7Fold · 28 Aug 2018 at 16:01

Roar87 said:
Break down your sentence logically

To me it looks like he is literately saying, 'these people got shot as a result of their gun policy' rather than these victims deserved what they got.

Not a far fetched view to take. If guns were harder to get, there would probably be less mass shootings.

willhub · 28 Aug 2018 at 16:08

Roar87 said:
Break down your sentence logically, you're implying someone deserved to be shot for being American? The victims didn't choose the laws, they didn't commit some immense act of stupidity which caused them to deserve death, and them and their families are the only only victims here

USA as a whole, not a single person, as in this is to be expected in the USA, and this is what will happen with their current gun laws. If we legalise gun ownership in the UK, mass shootings is what we'll get.

CosmicClown · 28 Aug 2018 at 16:13

Queue people coming in blaming Americas gun laws....

You're all simpletons man. Seriously.

Ban guns. Go on. Then Knives will be used.
If someone wants to kill people they can do it without guns ffs.....
Seen all these van killings lately in Europe? I don't see you muppets coming into the threads saying 'BAN VANS!' ffs

I blame the fact the guy was on SSRI's like EVERY. SINGLE one of these shooters.

You would have more of an argument blaming videogames and SSRI drugs.

AND FFS, WHY DOES THE NEWS GIVE THESE THINGS SO MUCH COVERAGE.

The news for these sorts of things should be kept locally. Not broadcast worldwide so you can give the shooter his 5 mins of fame. This sort of reporting creates more of them.
This is exactly what these disenfranchised, doped up videogame playing loons want!

The media is playing a HUGE part in CREATING more of these situations.