Shooting at live Twitch Madden tournament - four reported to be dead

Sparky__H said:
They don't think its fine but they are utterly paralysed when it comes to doing something about it.
American culture is "The Gun" and it's killing them.
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There's a bigger issue than guns being legal in America

I mean just what exactly drives someone to not only kill their self but also try and kill fellow gamers just because they lost a game of NFL ? Talk about being a sore loser ffs

The guns really aren't the problem in America, you can ban all the guns in the world but it's not going to fix the causality that drives the people to use the guns
 
Minusorange said:
There's a bigger issue than guns being legal in America

I mean just what exactly drives someone to not only kill their self but also try and kill fellow gamers just because they lost a game of NFL ? Talk about being a sore loser ffs

The guns really aren't the problem in America, you can ban all the guns in the world but it's not going to fix the causality that drives the people to use the guns
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several reasons:
1. it's easy to get your hands on the tools to mass murder
2. you have regular mass murders plastered around the media reminding you that:
a. mass murder is an option
b. you'll get famous if you mass murder
c. guns are the best way to mass murder
3. if you do already have any underlying mental health problems then the healthcare system isn't much help
4. thanks to the lack of healthcare, and a media society portraying people much more successful than you your self esteem goes through the floor.
 
Sutters said:
I would interested to know if he was on psych meds. Seems fairly common in shootings.
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David Kirschner, Ph.D., a New York psychologist explained: “As a forensic psychologist, I have tested/evaluated 30 teenage and young adult murderers, and almost all of them had been in some kind of ‘treatment,’ usually short term and psychoactive drug-oriented, before they killed. After each episode of school killings or other mass shootings, such as the Aurora, Colorado, Batman movie murders and Tucson, Arizona, killing of six and wounding of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and 12 others, there is a renewed public outcry for early identification and treatment of youths at risk for violence. Sadly however, most of the young people who kill had been in ‘treatment,’ prior to the violence, albeit with less than successful results"

Source ; Mass Murderers and Psychiatric Drugs Behaviorism and Mental Health http://behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2014/09/22/mass-murderers-and-psychiatric-drugs/
 
Angilion said:
But you were replying to a person who was replying to Magnolia, who did mention skin colour.
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You're a bright man so I'll put your choice of words down to clumsiness rather than anything else. I said he was orange (also a retard but no one seems to be debating that) which is the colour his skin becomes after he covers it in Cheetos paste, not his 'skin colour' which has a fairly specific meaning for normal conversation, e.g. he's white, or he's black etc.
 
adolf hamster said:
several reasons:
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5. Cult of Celebrity - Bombarded from childhood. Be somebody or you're nobody.
6. Raging jealously and a feeling of impotent helplessness

A lot of blood will be spilled before the two side come together and work to solve the problems causing it all.
 
Angilion said:
But you were replying to a person who was replying to Magnolia, who did mention skin colour.
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[FnG]magnolia said:
You're a bright man so I'll put your choice of words down to clumsiness rather than anything else. I said he was orange (also a retard but no one seems to be debating that) which is the colour his skin becomes after he covers it in Cheetos paste, not his 'skin colour' which has a fairly specific meaning for normal conversation, e.g. he's white, or he's black etc.
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Exactly and it's already been mentioned prior.
 
[FnG]magnolia said:
You're a bright man so I'll put your choice of words down to clumsiness rather than anything else. I said he was orange (also a retard but no one seems to be debating that) which is the colour his skin becomes after he covers it in Cheetos paste, not his 'skin colour' which has a fairly specific meaning for normal conversation, e.g. he's white, or he's black etc.
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Nobody was debating "retard" because it's (a) obviously wrong and (b) irrelevant to the comparison. As for skin colour, you brought it up as being relevant. Nobody else did, at least not in this thread. Now that you've clarified that it's his choice of makeup that you're criticising him for, that moves your comment to just plain silly. You may as well condemn Theresa May because you don't like the shade of lipstick she uses (if she uses any - I don't attach much importance to trivial things so I don't know).
 
Sparky__H said:
5. Cult of Celebrity - Bombarded from childhood. Be somebody or you're nobody.
6. Raging jealously and a feeling of impotent helplessness

A lot of blood will be spilled before the two side come together and work to solve the problems causing it all.
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I think you're being very optimistic. The USA is even more partisan than here. The chances of sides coming together on anything is remote.
 
Sutters said:
I would interested to know if he was on psych meds. Seems fairly common in shootings.
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It actually isn't. A lot of them are just two nornal people arguing over stuff like parking spaces or neighbour disputes. Or simply friends who get drunk have an argument and then it's only a fraction of an inch away from death once a gun is out.

The phsycos going out to kill strangers is a lot rarer than the people killing thier family or just having a bad argument and here you might throw something they've got a gun. And now it's escalated so far there's little other possible outcome.

Hell a judge over there took his family hostage for like 10 hours before shooting himself the other day
 
Minusorange said:
The guns really aren't the problem in America
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Yes they are

1. How many people can you kill armed with a bag of flumps
2. How many people can you kill armed with a knife
3. How many people can you kill with an old style pistol
4. How many people can you kill with a fully automatic assault rifle

be thankful we live in our country where guns are not easily available. Imagine the recent terrorist attacks. I'd bet the death toll would me much higher. Yes, you can maybe take out a few using a car but nothing like as assault rife. Pick your spot, and on a busy saturday afternoon on oxford street you could hit hundreds.

Guns are for cowards. If you really want to kill someone, use a knife. It's up close and personal. Guns are a way of making some silly statement. It's not about the person being killed, rather the total numbers of deaths.

Take away the guns, and people are still going to murder but in MUCH MUCH less numbers.
 
Angilion said:
Nobody was debating "retard" because it's (a) obviously wrong and (b) irrelevant to the comparison. As for skin colour, you brought it up as being relevant. Nobody else did, at least not in this thread. Now that you've clarified that it's his choice of makeup that you're criticising him for, that moves your comment to just plain silly. You may as well condemn Theresa May because you don't like the shade of lipstick she uses (if she uses any - I don't attach much importance to trivial things so I don't know).
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You don't get out much do you...

Overuse of fake tanning leading to an excessive orange look has been the butt of jokes ever since the stuff was invented. It has nothing to do with any racial connotation of 'skin colour'.

And people do get criticised for what makeup they wear as well.

Obviously you are unaware of such human trivialities as they are so beneath your intellectual rigour.
 
It's the fact we live in a country without legal guns that we can see the problem far clearer than any American. The argument that "you don't live here, you don't know how America is" should actually read "many Americans can't see the problem as it's all they know". The FACT is without all the guns available in the US there would be less gun crime. It is not a subjective debate, it's a statement of fact. It's time to prioritise life and modify your constitution as that's what any sensible and civilised society would do when confronted with the endless gun crime we see in nations with guns readily available.
 
pioneer2000 said:
London is in a worse state than the US with all these teenagers stabbing each other in broad daylight.
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Well, apart from that one misleading headline a few months ago that took a selectively narrow time frame to make an unrealistic comparison, no, London isn't worse than the US [or even new York as the headline mentioned]
 
Maybe we should sort our own house out before criticising America. Guns are legal in America for a specific reason that is important to them, they value the personal freedom to own a firearm, it's in their constitution and is important to the structure of their Republic. The vast majority of fire arm deaths are gang and drug related, instances like this shooting at a gaming event are rare, mass shootings are relatively rare, but considering it's a country with 350 million people they will happen simply due to the amount of people there. In our country we have a problem with acid attacks and knife crime, it's epidemic, let's sort that out before having a pop at Americans.
 
Roar87 said:
Maybe we should sort our own house out before criticising America. Guns are legal in America for a specific reason that is important to them, they value the personal freedom to own a firearm, it's in their constitution and is important to the structure of their Republic. The vast majority of fire arm deaths are gang and drug related, instances like this shooting at a gaming event are rare, mass shootings are relatively rare, but considering it's a country with 350 million people they will happen simply due to the amount of people there. In our country we have a problem with acid attacks and knife crime, it's epidemic, let's sort that out before having a pop at Americans.
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You say rare but there’s a mass shooting in the US on average every 60 days, that’s not rare.

Also mass shooting is defined by the death of at least 4 people.

When you add up the people killed whether it’s 1, 2 or 3 etc at a time, the numbers are ridiculous.
 
TheOracle said:
4. How many people can you kill with a fully automatic assault rifle
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whilst i'm not arguing against your point, most guns used in these kind of shootings aren't "assault rifles", they're semi-automatic only versions of said rifles or semi automatic pistols.

not that that's any consolation to the poor bugger on the receiving end.

the problem always has been not what is legally available, but how easy it is to get, perfect example is if you look at shootings involving actual fully automatic firearms (which is much much rarer than semi automatic firearms) and you'll easily see the link that the fully automatic weapon requires an extended background check with normally a 6 month minimum waiting time (depending on how busy the atf is at the time), a $200 transfer tax and the gun itself is massively expensive due to how machine guns are regulated in america (tl:dr you're not going to be finding any new manufactured fully automatic guns post 1986 on the civilian market so what's out there is what there is and limited supply inflates the prices).

so why they can't just do the same thing to semi-automatic weapons, or indeed all weapons it beyond me, it's been proven with the machine gun ban that you can do that without messing with the 2nd amendment
 
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