I think the bigger risk is that people to who a fiver or so doesn't matter will find to too much hassle
Shoppers 'to be charged 20p on plastic bottles & Metal Cans under return scheme
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I think the bigger risk is that people to who a fiver or so doesn't matter will find to too much hassle
I'd actually quite like a move to the kind of system they have in Spain where they just have huge community bins where people take stuff to. The only problem is we're so densely populated that i imagine they'd fill up too quick and it'd end up a huge mess.
Much nicer than having rubbish pilling up for up to 2 weeks in a stinky bin.
Much nicer than having rubbish pilling up for up to 2 weeks in a stinky bin.
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Bags was different because it's easy to re use them but since you were getting them for free nobody did. It's a bag and its purpose is to hold your shopping.
A bottles purpose is to hold the drink. I can't take the bottle and refill it so it's not re-usable the same way a bag is.
It's far more inconvenient this time around.
I'd also like them to reverse the sugar tax or ban sweeteners in normal version of drinks or at least incentivise they use Stevia instead of aspartame and acesfulsame k.
They already had diet versions of drinks why they had to introduce a law which made normal versions also have sweeteners is beyond me other than Jamie Oliver is a complete moron who has single handedly ruined the drinks industry.
This is going to push me towards soda stream as now all I buy is soda water because everything else gives me headaches and tastes awful.
Apart from irn bru 1901, coke, green and fentimans.
You poor baby, how will you cope!
This is an even better win for the environment. 1 customer completely removed from the chain.
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Just ordered 8 cases of irn bru 1901 from a mate who runs a few shops.
That should do me for the year at least.
Yeah it's inconvenient but that's life. If we can't make a small change like this because it's inconvenient How's it going to go when we literally have to cut back due to serious climate change
We have seperate bins for seperate things. Food waste = 1 bin, cardboard = 1 bin, plastics / cans = 1 bin. Plastics should be mainly for single use but you can throw out multi-use that have the deposit scheme, you just lose your few cents.
Generally cans aren't used here much as bottles are.
Over here people tend to buy crates of beer or plastic bottled water. You pay a deposit on the crate and a deposit on the bottles. You get your money back at the supermarket for what you bring back. Most big supermarkets have machines for bottles by themselves and a counter for crates. I've never had to queue.
You can't throw out any glass here for curb collection. If you want to throw out wine bottles you put them in one of the big wheely bins every few blocks. Beer bottles go back to the supermarket or the same big bins.
There is literally zero rubbish here on the curbside or on motorways. In the UK, it's everywhere. Trust me, the system works. It also saves a ton of glass for beer manufacturers since bottles are reused.
If you buy bottles online and they are delivered to your house with your weekly shopping, normally the driver will ask you if you have any empties and he/she will collect what you have (within reason). Likewise we have drinks delivery companies here where you can buy soft drinks, beer, wine etc and they deliver within 2hours of ordering..and again they will take back any old bottles. You then get a credit on your next order.
Seems everyone who has the system likes it.
Can we start tomorrow?
And can it include all barcoded litter?
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Week. Looks like I am buying pint cans of stella now.
Alex in Post #20 hits the nail on the head perfectly. Very little of my shopping I actually get from physical shops and NEVER use plastic bags. I live alone, currently have no car and have doorstep bins for recycling, glass and landfill. This idea of returning to yesteryear means that I'll need to collect and store my beer cans and plastic tonic bottles and eventually hump them to some pre-determined site to get money back?
How about just bankrupting (read: Removing?) people that litter? Penalize them instead of people who already do the right thing.
How about just bankrupting (read: Removing?) people that litter? Penalize them instead of people who already do the right thing.
But it doesn't happen. Without cctv everywhere you aren't going to stop people littering any other way but financial impact or financial reward to those who pick it up
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Will need to do it in bulk as well. It's hardly worthwhile or environmentally friendly driving 5 miles to return 3 bottles and a couple of cans or are supermarkets going to be offering up their lucrative space for this scheme which makes them zero money?
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You risk a £60 fine flicking a cigarette butt yet taxi drivers sit in their cars at stands doing it all day long.
Fines aren't enforced enough in this country unless it's for speeding or fraud.
But it makes things worse for everyone, so it must be a Good Thing! The more inconvenient a system is for people, the better it is for the environment even when it's worse for the environment. Because reasons.
Penalising people who already recycle and blaming them for different people who litter is obviously the right way to go because it's easier.
I don't have the space to store containers in bulk, nor do I have a car to carry them to whatever out of the way place will have a recycling service (if any do). So I'll just have to eat the cost.
I'd prefer the system to be honest. It's a tax. Call it a tax. It's a political move that has bugger all to do with the environment. Call it a political move. Honesty in politics would be a welcome change.
In the UK we already have CCTV everywhere. Besides, it wouldn't be necessary to fine everyone who litters. Just more than a negligable proportion of them.
Littering is being used as an excuse for this scheme. It's not a reason for it. People are advocating punishing people who already recycle solely because they're an easy target.
This recycling is a good racket for the government. Pretend to care about the environment while filling government coffers, just like the sugar tax really.
Lots of bootlickers in this thread just going along with it. Just goes to show that people get the government they deserve.
Lots of bootlickers in this thread just going along with it. Just goes to show that people get the government they deserve.
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Government doesn't make any money. You get your money back if you give the bottles back. If you don't, the supermarket keeps the money.
As I said, if you get food delivered to your house, then the driver should take away your last order or last few orders of bottles. That's the only way it can work, and that's how it works here. Resolves any concerns about people who don't go to a supermarket.