Sir Alex Ferguson Retires

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Did you watch the derby at all? Looooong ball after loooong ball after loong ball, typical Moyes.

I do think that's a little unfair. He produces effective and efficient teams which play to their strengths. We're yet to find out if this is pure pragmatism borne from constraint or if Moyes is a true exponent of anti-football in the Pulis / Allardyce mode.

He has flirted with flair down the years, but his teams look more at home with a big lad up front and game based around winning the second ball, stoppers at the back and quarterback style CM. That's where the value is though. No expensive forwards required, no tricky No.10. No ball playing defenders. No rangy, pacy full backs. All fine and dandy, but it has a ceiling. And doesn't work at all in Europe.

Baines was a great signing for him as it allowed his teams to mix it up a bit with an over/underlapping full back, who also has the bonus of decent set piece delivery. Baines has made Everton look a lot less agricultural.

Anyway, I started off thinking you were being unfair, but actually I've talking myself round to it. You're right, it's long ball. A lot of the time, it's not even direct long ball.
 
Did you watch the derby at all? Looooong ball after loooong ball after loong ball, typical Moyes.

Give me 3 examples of this free flowing football David Moyes is an exponent of then.



yes your posts often are

i saw everton against fulham and tottenham and we played lovely free flowing football. as we have done or TRIED to do all season.
 
Did you watch the derby at all? Looooong ball after loooong ball after loong ball, typical Moyes.

Give me 3 examples of this free flowing football David Moyes is an exponent of then.



yes your posts often are

Baines and Pienaar play some very, very nice football down the left. Osman plays decent football. Fellaini is a good footballer when the ball is on the deck. Mirallas is always good with the ball at his feet.

Anyway, given the size of some of his players (Fellaini and Anichebe, and Cahill's aerial ability while there), the obvious thing to do is play it high. He should be congratulated for getting the most out of the players he has be playing to their strengths. The most consistent "budget" teams over the last few seasons have been Everton and Stoke. Why? Because they know how to get the job done with a relatively inexpensive squad. Sure, Swansea have shown that you can play good football on a budget, but in my opinion they are always at more risk than Everton are, as if they have an off-day they won't grind out a result.

United haven't exactly played beautiful, free-flowing football either over the last couple of seasons, barring the very beginning of last season. They're a very effective team, but it's not exactly pass and move.
 
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27 years of management and two European Cups to show for it.

Apparently this makes you the best ever.

Or maybe it could be the plethora of other trophies and awards that also contribute to his reputation?

Maybe he could/should have won more European trophies but if Sir Alex isn't up there as being amongst the best then you'd have to question where everyone else ranks.
 
Or maybe it could be the plethora of other trophies and awards that also contribute to his reputation?

Maybe he could/should have won more European trophies but if Sir Alex isn't up there as being amongst the best then you'd have to question where everyone else ranks.

Not really the point I was trying to make, if his reputation is such, you would have expected him over a 27 year career at one of the biggest clubs in World football to have won more European cups no?

No doubt about his domestic record, he's clearly the most successful British manager in domestic terms, but I'm sure he would have wanted to win more European trophies.
 
Not really the point I was trying to make, if his reputation is such, you would have expected him over a 27 year career at one of the biggest clubs in World football to have won more European cups no?

No doubt about his domestic record, he's clearly the most successful British manager in domestic terms, but I'm sure he would have wanted to win more European trophies.

This is exactly my reasoning as to why he isn't the greatest ever manager, in British football let alone World football. His european record is pretty abysmal for a club of Man U's wealth, yes they have dominated the EPL, but as pretty much the richest club in that league they should, its within europe he has been found out on multiple occasions. Take the tie against RM this year, instead of whinging for 10 minutes he was outthought by Mourinho who made an instant change and reaped the rewards for it.

RE Everton - they have played the same way for the past 10 years and more, they still play the same style of football they did when Duncan Ferguson was there.
 
I think Ferguson was a fantastic manager and he's clearly the most successful, but I don't think he's one of the all time greats, he's failed in Europe and he's only dominated in the domestic sense.

Also; I think that to be considered one of the greatest managers of all times I personally think you should have some huge impact upon the actual game, so I disagree but I don't doubt his success nor his status near the top of British football.
 
You could aruge that the club in it's current state and the squad is in a much better state than when Ferguson first took over, so no, I think Moyes should be expect to be challenging from the start.
 
As long as we're challenging and there are positive signs for the future I'm willing to give Moyes a few trophy-less years. Let's face it a Capital One/FA Cup is scant consolation for a club like ours anyway so yeah I can live with a few 3rd place finishes (again as long as there's signs of progression and he's not going backwards with each passing season)
 
I’m also in the camp that he’s not the best manager ever. He was in charge of one of the biggest clubs in the world for 26 years and won 2 European Cups. He is an outstanding manager but he should have been more successful in Europe than he was.

I personally think that Jose Mourinho will be the most successful manager ever, in 10 seasons of competitive football he’s won 7 titles, 2 European Cups, UEFA Cup and also the only manager to win the league in England, Italy and Spain.

We have also had some great managers in the UK under different eras. Bob Paisley at Liverpool won 6 titles, 3 European Cups and one UEFA Cup. Jock Stein at Celtic won the European Cup with players who were all born within 20 miles of the stadium, won 10 league titles including 9 in a row, 8 Scottish Cups and was the runner up in the 1970 European Cup as well. Brian Clough also won the European Cup twice with Forrest which on its own is a massive feat.

Fergie was a great manager but having spent 26 years at one of the biggest clubs in the world he should have done more in Europe. What he done in Aberdeen was amazing and should not be discounted either though, taking Aberdeen to the top club in Scotland is a mean feat.
 
I personally think that Jose Mourinho will be the most successful manager ever, in 10 seasons of competitive football he’s won 7 titles, 2 European Cups, UEFA Cup and also the only manager to win the league in England, Italy and Spain.

I don't think you can compare Fergie with Mourinho tbh, for Fergie to stay and keep Man Utd at the top for as long as he has is an achievement all in its own. Yes Mourinho has done well at multiple different clubs but there's no argument Fergie couldn't of done likewise - thankfully for us though we've had him all to ourselves

Like I said to Tummy previously its impossible to say who's the greatest of all time all you can say is though that Fergie is without doubt one of the greatest of all time
 
Playing in Europe is very different to fighting in the prem, that is one area I think Moyes will fall down. He will no doubt be committed to the club but that will not wash for long.
 
I Hope he can do well but for some reason I can see Utd finishing about 3rd next season. who else would you want if it wasn't Moyes?

I'm not a Manchester United fan per say, but I'd have literally (Jamie) loved it if they had of appointed Klopp, De Boer or Blanc.
 
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