I don't think he's one of the greatest actually, I think he's one of the most succesful and certainly most successful in British football.
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I don't think he's one of the greatest actually, I think he's one of the most succesful and certainly most successful in British football.
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Fair enough. Personally I don't think you can be considered one of the most successful without also being considered one of the greatest but there you go
Very true and without sizeable finacial backing (the likes Moyes never got) they could struggle to stay as a top 5/6 side imo. They could have a couple of sticky looking seasons (I'm thinking between 11th and 16th)
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I don't think Mourinho could have done what Fergie has done, but equally I don't think Fergie could have achieved what Mourinho has.
Fair enough. Personally I don't think you can be considered one of the most successful without also being considered one of the greatest but there you go
I think there is a slight difference between the two.
For example, Michels introduced a new style of football and impacted European football on quite a large scale, you can even count the modern Barcelona as a club that he had a huge infleunce on et cetra...
Ferguson has done no such thing, but has been incredibly domestically succesful!
It's interesting, I think Mourinho is a short term type manager but as he's never stayed at a club for a prolonged period I think it's unfair to say he couldn't do what Ferugson has done.
Out of interest, how many Champions Leagues/whatever the previous equivalent was (Cup Winners Cup?) have other clubs won in the last 27 years?
You could argue, Tummy, that Ferguson hasn't had the chance to do what Mourinho has done, as he's spent his entire career being successful at a single club.
You could argue, Tummy, that Ferguson hasn't had the chance to do what Mourinho has done, as he's spent his entire career being successful at a single club.
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Well you could say that same about Fergie, I'm just speculating
No, that's very true, all of his success as a manager has come after a period of several years. He was at Aberdeen for 4/5 years before winning anything iirc?
Also; Football was different then.
There's probably always going to be somewhere else Mourinho wants to go tbh (that's not a negative thing per-say either) as I said previously he's never hid his ambition to manage the Portuguese national side one day so its quite conceivable that he'll go to Chelsea for 3 years and then go into International management for a couple of tournaments/4 years then maybe find one last club or retire all together...
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Since 1986, top 5 clubs winning Champions League (Or European Cup)
1. AC Milan 5 - ( '89, '90,'94, '03, '07)
2. Barcelona 4 - ( '92, '06, '09, '11)
3. Real Madrid 3 - ('98,'00,'02)
4. Manchester United - 2 ( '99, '08)
5. Ajax, Liverpool FC, Bayern Munich, Inter Milan, Juventus, Porto, Marseille, Chelsea, PSV Eindhoven, Red Star Belgrade, Borussia Dortmund, Steaua Bucuresti - all have 1 in that time.
It's a different style of managing, I'd say I prefer the Mourinho way of doing my thing.
I'd much prefer testing myself out at all the major leagues, than to be at one club for the rest of my life. Same if I was a player, literally no way would I want to be at the same club forever.
Mourinho's way of doing it is neither right or wrong, what he's won shows this.
I'd much prefer testing myself out at all the major leagues, than to be at one club for the rest of my life. Same if I was a player, literally no way would I want to be at the same club forever.
Mourinho's way of doing it is neither right or wrong, what he's won shows this.
ENGLISH DOMINANCE /sky mode.
So really, when you consider the strength of the Milan team in the early 90s, and the Barca team from about 2005 onwards, Ferguson has actually done pretty well, particularly consider he got to a couple of additional finals in addition to that, losing to an incredibly good Barca side both times.
Supporters are loyal to one club (well apart from G|mp) its not that hard to understand why they hope players/managers feel the same. It's blind hope obviously but whatever
'So err he couldn't have done better because there were some better sides?'
Nonense, Ferguson had some amazing resources available to him and should have done better in Europe. I personally think that in private is the only regret he will ever have at Manchester United, he didn't equal Liverpool's European record.
He's hasn't done bad but he himself will admit he could have done better as well, there are years when we've let ourselves down, there are years where we've been done by poor refereeing (albeit you should never rely on officials getting every decision correct) and then recently we've been unfortunate to come up against this Barcelona side (though again we let ourselves down in 2009, could have done much better then)
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