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I blame the Bengaboys for why the silly woman got into her predicament.
Six years in prison for a shag on the beach?
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Reasons not to want to go to Dubai (and this is from experience of having been there numerous times.)
1. It is ugly
2. It is a building site
3. The climate is terrible for half the year
4. The beaches are not very good
5. The constant reclamation of land from the sea means the sea is constantly cloudy and most of the under water life is dead
6. The local food is poor for the most part, only the generic international hotels are worth eating in
7. The immoral developers have built the city with low paid asian labor over-working them in the enormous heat, in terrrible conditions, with appaling safety records, terrible pay and extraordinarily high death tolls on construction sites
8. There is actually very little to do there apart from shopping (there is a waterpark and an indoor ski hill)
9. Locals are not my cup of tea for the most part
10. The nightlife revolves around sterile hotels full of Russian prostitutes
11. It is absolutely full of UK chavs showing off their gaudy lables
12. The property market is a massive bubble about to burst and most properties are way under international specs for their price
13. The culture, such as it is, has sprung up so quickly that its roots are completely lost
14. It is full of expat **** jockeys
15. The traffic is terrible
16. It is an undemocratic dictatorship, where you have to be Emirati or a wealthy expat if you want to be treated well, don't even think about joining their working class
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But apparently not so harsh that although it's illegal to cohabit, it's not illegal in a hotel room? Hmmm... Guess $$$$ talks!
Dubai is very double standards really. For a supposedly dry country alcohol is pretty easy to get hold of and behind closed doors it flows freely. Same applies there. It's a bit like las vegas of the middle east
Compared to other gulf emirates like saudi life is a lot more relaxed.
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I think firstly, that i said its another reason I personally would WANT to go.
I was saying of all the things said so far, I can't see any of the reasons being valid for not wanting to go, some idiot brakes a law, twice, and gets angry and violent towards a cop when she knew what she was doing was illegal. Prefer people that behave badly to be dealt with, unlike in England. You might get in trouble if you smuggle any amount of drugs, again not really a reason for not going there, unless of course, you want to smuggle drugs, then of course its one of the worst choices.
Firstly, I don't much care about the workers there, nor the policital situation, do either actually effect your holiday? Are the workers paid badly there, because, at the end of the day its a country where the rich are rich and the poor are very poor, whats new in the middle east/asia with that exactly that makes Dubai the worst of the bunch? nothing. Its not a democratic society? well democracy breeds corruption, if someones always going to be in power and doesn't lie to cheat or steal his way in, to a certain degree that limits the corruption. Democracys I'm thinking more and more, have a very limited time span from inception to falling apart, where governments start off with best intentions and eventually fall into such heavy corruption and ridiculous bureaucracy that the government falls in on itself, personally, i honestly see England going that way, not that soon, not that far off either unless theirs massive changes.
However that all makes me think seriously about living elsewhere but the UK, visiting England for a holiday and none of that matters in the slightest. I don't care about the economy there, or the specs of houses. I don't care that the locals aren't your cup of tea, or that the bars are full of russian prostitutes, better nice looking civil russian prossies, than dirty clubs full of essex chav birds frankly.
Like I said, I'm not sure there would be all that much I want to do there, but I know I'd prefer to hang out in a cool hotel, with great weather and relax there, than in some hotel in Greece with a million chavs all getting into fights and destroying their hotel rooms.
Culture, doesn't make a holiday, most people completely ignore local culture when they go on holiday anyway.
The biggest reason you actually came up with for not going, is a morale reason, you think its bad there because the greedy rich people do immoral things to make more money. Shocking, thank god thats the only place on earth that gets away with that, the UK, US, and the rest of the world thank god is only populated with fantastically morale generous and law abiding rich people.
Most cities go through large early expansion periods with massive levels of construction going on, you'd be hard pressed to find a city without several big buildings being built, is the constant construction around the Sagrada Familia stopping millions of people a year visiting it or going to see it? Part of Dubai's culture is its architechture and lots of people would find lots of things to go "sight seeing" for in Dubai.
As for the climate, a whole host, maybe a majority of countries in the world have 6 months of bad weather, how does that make it a bad destination for holidays?
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I didn't expect my rather throw away post to elicit such a comprehensive response, least of all an essay on the merits of democracy. I agree with you on that to some extent, democracy breeds unthinking mob rule and mediocre leadership, we just need to look to the US to see this.
As i have said, I have spent a lot of time in Dubai, I do not have "moral" reasons for not going, rather I have personally observed the impact of poorly managed, agressive and occasionally immoral tourism development in Dubai and i find it distasteful more than anything else.
The unnecessary deaths of 1000s of underclass workers on construction sites is in my opinion a bit off putting. Having worked on leisure and tourism development throughout the Middle East, Europe and the US, i have never known developers or governments so willing to turn a blind eye to blatant abuses of human rights. My politics and business practices are right wing and i am certainly no bleeding heart liberal but Dubai has turned my stomach.
I know the tourism product in Dubai very well and for me, having worked in most major tourist destinations, it does not stack up as a tourist offer. Good luck to those who enjoy it, but i think you may find there are rather more "essex chav birds" than you imagine. There are more discerning choices for a holiday in my opninion. Dubai is the tourism equivalent of the emperor's new clothes.
Most destinations have something real to market. Dubai markets itself on (bad) beaches, (too hot for) sun(bathing), (overpriced) shopping and (tacky) architecture. Oh and the fact that posh spice bought a house there, there's one Essex chav bird to start you off.
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yes, i got that
However
She is living in another country and as such she should respect their culture and laws.
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A lot, i mean a lot of people died building all the big cities in the world. New York had a shedload of deaths, as did most of the biggest structures in the world, bridges, this that and the other. The thing is with, I'm not sure, I guess you might call them newly westernised countries is they have technology, knowledge and money from the Western world, but they don't have 50 years of solid building experience, and frankly equipment. You have to remember that most countries and cultures, governments go through a learning experience where those things happen, they are essentially unavoidable. TO be honest London, New York, LA, Tokyo and all the other biggest cities in the world would simply NEVER have been built if the standards in place now, were in place when they were mostly constructed decades and decades ago. It was cheap labour, lack of real care for the worker, speed and lax rules that allowed cities to spring up so quickly. If they got bogged down by rules and safety in the building years, the expense, cost slow work rate would see an incredibly small extortionately expensive city end up being to small for enough people to live there to continue growth before money runs out.
Every country has to go through this learning period and grow in really, a fairly specific way or it will simply fold. If Dubai in the last 20 years had cost literally trillions more to build because of safety regs, unions and proper paid workers, its this simple it would never have been built. The people that built it would never have jobs, or be working for lower wages in even worse jobs, thats how life is.
Every country has to go through this learning period and grow in really, a fairly specific way or it will simply fold. If Dubai in the last 20 years had cost literally trillions more to build because of safety regs, unions and proper paid workers, its this simple it would never have been built. The people that built it would never have jobs, or be working for lower wages in even worse jobs, thats how life is.
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tbh.. if she did the same thing here she'd be locked up too - public shagging & getting caught twice - tis illegal in the UK too - OK just a caution and/or night in the cells perhpas for the repeat offense
abusing and assaulting a police officer - would probably be up in the local court house for that one in the UK too
OK potential term of between 3 months - 6 years + deportation is excessive by our standards but she ought to have been aware of the consequences especially as she lives there
+ yet another 1 - well put.
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That's one hole I would not like to be stuck in.
ahh break the law over here, and you get a better standard of living than law abiding low paid citizens. At least over there rotting in a poo and cockroach infested cell you learn not to break the law again.
We're far too soft, and I'll give the arab countries credit, you need to stomp down hard on criminals. If chav boy racers had there hands lopped off no way would they consider it.
to be honest i recon this is very bad..
6 years for that...! imagin being in that position for a sec. i know i would hope my country would help me out tbh.
sas = 5 second effortless job..
its like that women that got done for naming a teddy something....i mean cmon ffs.
6 years for that...! imagin being in that position for a sec. i know i would hope my country would help me out tbh.
sas = 5 second effortless job..
its like that women that got done for naming a teddy something....i mean cmon ffs.
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Yes, a lot of people have historically died building cities. It has not been the habit of other major economies in recent years to import cheap labour, provide no healthcare or support, build shanty towns for it to live in, not allow workers to complain or move jobs within the economy rather than be deported and allow death rates to go up unchecked whilst burrying the existence of the problem. I'll leave that there, I get it, you don't give a **** and you have taken your stance.
That was one point of several which make me view Dubai as a less than stellar tourism destination. The majority of the others are related directly to the tourism offer, which is shiny but shallow.
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