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I love the anti-smoker threads here on OcUK, the pure righteous indignation of the anti-smoker kiddies, the ex-smoker adults and the fitness fanatics.

I read a few posts, go outside the office and have a ciggy while its still allowable for me to do so, and I will enjoy it. Smokers will invariably say they want to stop when faced with this barrage, I however will just not accept it and know that when I really want to quit I will.

If you choose to be in my presence then you accept me as a smoker. If you can manage to be polite (keyboard warrior punch me in the face comments aside) then I will happy to move away because otherwise you will just iritate me with your 'holier than thou' attitude.

Get over it! Anyone would think we wandered down the road in a polution free environment dropping ricin laced stink-bombs.
 
JollyGreen said:
Lots of people do things I don't like, I mean hell, I don't like looking at obese people, but do I lobby for the banning of doughnuts or fast food joints (quite apart from the fact that I'm partial to these on occasion myself)?
No, because they're human beings, and even though I wouldn't do that to myself and have somewhat diminished respect for those that do, I'm not going to interfere with their lives.
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When someone is sitting near me eating, it has no effect on me whatsoever.

When someone is sitting near me smoking, it does, not just medically, but it stains my clothes with the smell, and personally the smell of smoke makes me physically sick.

The people sying "its part of life, deal with it". Do you think the same as poverty, terrorism, war, crime, murder? They are all part of life, should we just deal with it? Hell no!

turkey73 said:
I love the anti-smoker threads here on OcUK, the pure righteous indignation of the anti-smoker kiddies....
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I highly doubt that all the people against smoking in this thread are kids. I am 21 and don't consider myself a kid.

turkey73 said:
If you choose to be in my presence then you accept me as a smoker. If you can manage to be polite (keyboard warrior punch me in the face comments aside) then I will happy to move away because otherwise you will just iritate me with your 'holier than thou' attitude.

Get over it! Anyone would think we wandered down the road in a polution free environment dropping ricin laced stink-bombs.
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If I choose to be in your presence? What if I was there first? The majority of people wouldn't care less. There are considerate people out there who perhaps would but the majority of smokers I don't think would.

By the way, I don't look down on smokers at all, half my family do smoke, i don't hate SMOKERS, i just sometimes don't like their attitude. You say that the non smokers have a 'holier than thou' attitude, yet I can see plenty of smokers in this thread with exactly the same attitude. I don't think I am better for not smoking in the slightest.

Another, Get over it attitude. Alright mate, get over the fact that non smokers don't like breathing in your fumes. You may have become accustomed to smelling like that, and so it goes unnoticed, but for people who don't smoke, it certainly doesn't go unnoticed.

Lets just all agree to disagree, because threads like this go no where :D
 
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turkey73 said:
I love the anti-smoker threads here on OcUK, the pure righteous indignation of the anti-smoker kiddies, the ex-smoker adults and the fitness fanatics.

I read a few posts, go outside the office and have a ciggy while its still allowable for me to do so, and I will enjoy it. Smokers will invariably say they want to stop when faced with this barrage, I however will just not accept it and know that when I really want to quit I will.

If you choose to be in my presence then you accept me as a smoker. If you can manage to be polite (keyboard warrior punch me in the face comments aside) then I will happy to move away because otherwise you will just iritate me with your 'holier than thou' attitude.

Get over it! Anyone would think we wandered down the road in a polution free environment dropping ricin laced stink-bombs.
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I love the anti-smoker threads here on OcUK, the pure righteous indignation of the pro-smoking kiddies, adults and people that don't care that they are smoking themselves into a early grave.

I read a few posts, go outside the office in this warm weather but unfortunately the smokers have been there before me and the are in strong with nicotine and fag butts are strewn everywhere. Smokers invariably say they want to quit but the majortiy are hopelessly addicted to a little stick you put in your mouth and suck on!

As a non smoker lots of times I don't get a choice of whether I'm in your "presense", the tone of this particular line shows how very humble you are compared to the 'holier than thou' non smoker

Get over it! I have to put up with smokers who "right it is to smoke" that have to light up the very second they get out of a "no smoking zone", it is a disgusting habit that is pretty indefensible yet smokers always try :p

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daven1986 said:
i also believe short journeys should be made on foot or by bike and that all public transport should be run on renewable fuel (they do it in delhi, india, why cant they do it here))
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WTF??? Who told you that????? When I was in Delhi, the fumes are 10 times worst than in London. You literally can't breath.
 
ScarySquirrel said:
There is no excuse for smoking, and people trying to justify it IMO (yes, my opinion) is pathetic! I am 21, and can honestly say I have never smoked once, and I would rather be eaten alive than start it, now, or ever!
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Why does there have to be an excuse to smoke ?? I am 35 and didnt smoke, I went to Cuba on holiday and thought I would try a cigar when in Rome and all that, and I found that I enjoyed it. So now I smoke 1 cigar a week on a Friday when relaxing at the end of a working week and have done for several months now and have a collection of nice habanos in a humidor.

I do it because I enjoy it, no excuse or justification needed.
 
HEADRAT said:
I love the anti-smoker threads here on OcUK, the pure righteous indignation of the pro-smoking kiddies, adults and people that don't care that they are smoking themselves into a early grave.

I read a few posts, go outside the office in this warm weather but unfortunately the smokers have been there before me and the are in strong with nicotine and fag butts are strewn everywhere. Smokers invariably say they want to quit but the majortiy are hopelessly addicted to a little stick you put in your mouth and suck on!

As a non smoker lots of times I don't get a choice of whether I'm in your "presense", the tone of this particular line shows how very humble you are compared to the 'holier than thou' non smoker

Get over it! I have to put up with smokers who "right it is to smoke" that have to light up the very second they get out of a "no smoking zone", it is a disgusting habit that is pretty indefensible yet smokers always try :p

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HEADRAT
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:D

It can easily be considered a disgusting habit. I see keyboard warriors of the 'protect our noses' league in every one of these threads. I have no problem with a polite 'do you mind not smoking around me?'. When I smoke I get out the way into a corner somewhere so as to minimise the offence I apparently cause with my 'foul addiction' (to be reread as 'rather enjoyable break from a very dull office')

non-smokers want clean air - when you actually find some, tell me. I will quit smoking to come along and enjoy it :p
 
Samtheman1k said:
There's some outside my office...oh wait, there was until the oxygen stealers went out for a fag! :(
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is there... really?

Do you work in the middle of the countryside?
 
Smoking is a disgusting habit that impacts on peoples health? Yes, numerous scientific studies show conclusively that a smokers health is directly impacted by the inhalation of cigarette smoke.

Does smoking impair the health of a passive smoker? This hasnt really been proved AFAIK. Studies have made statements to the effect that in a non-ventilated area with constant exposure there will be an impact akin to the smoker - this just makes sense. Otherwise, passive inhalation of smoke has not been proved to have an impact. Time for a bit of SC - find the link that shows the evidence. habeus corpus

Either way on that evidence I personally try to stay away from non-smokers while having a cigarette, Im adult enough to know that it isnt necessarily wanted by these people. When I say about choosing to be in my presence Im referring to being in my circle of friends and therefore in likelihood of gaining any kind of constant exposure to my habit. I smoke outside the office away from the doors and the filter goes in the bin.
 
turkey73 said:
. Time for a bit of SC - find the link that shows the evidence. habeus corpus
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How about this BBC one?


What effect does it have on the passive smoker?

Breathing in other people's smoke can cause eye irritation, headache, cough, sore throat, dizziness and nausea. Just 30 minutes exposure can be enough to reduce blood flow through the heart.

There is also evidence to show that people with asthma can experience a significant decline in lung function when exposed.

Whether or not passive smoking can trigger new cases of asthma is a hotly debated issue.

What about in the longer term?
Non-smokers who are exposed to passive smoking in the home, have a 25% increased risk of heart disease and lung cancer.

Researchers from London's St George's Medical School and the Royal Free hospital have recently found when you include exposure to passive smoking in the workplace and public places the risk of coronary heart disease is increased by 50-60%.

A major review in 1998 by the Government-appointed Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health (SCOTH) concluded that passive smoking is a cause of lung cancer and ischaemic heart disease in adult non-smokers, and a cause of respiratory disease, cot death, middle ear disease and asthmatic attacks in children.

There is also some evidence to suggest that passive smoking may affect children's mental development.

SCOTH has looked at the data since 1998 and concluded secondhand smoke is damaging.

However, it is true that the health risks of breathing in other people's tobacco smoke are much smaller than those posed by actually smoking.
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Im a smoker and i agree its not nice for non smokers to have to breath in our smoke.

When i smoke and people walk past me i do not blow out the txins till they have gone by.

I do not smoke around people who are eating, nor do i smoke around my family when indoors. I have my own office where i will go to smoke out of the window.

Not all smokers are the same some of us do try our best to avoid non smokers being caught in the middle.

The only thing i did not like in your post Daven was the way you tard all smokers with the same brush and called us pathetic.

With an attitude like that your the pathetic one. Open your eyes young man and see not all people are the same.
 
What a pointless agument dont you realise that nothing is achieved, smokers will smoke , drinkers will drink, crackheads will take crack, thieves will steal, everybody does something that pi55es somebody else off.

Thats life deal with it.

Sooner or later we will have no free liberty in this country then all the whiners will be whining about that.

No one is ever happy, always someone to Moan and whinge.
 
When I used to smoke I used to think I was pretty considerate, if I was going to have a fag at a train station then I'd try and do it out of the way of people, the trouble is you always end up with some anti-smoking nazi that insists on sitting or standing next to you making making deliberate coughing noises. If they were that bothered about their health you'd think they'd have the wit to plant themselves elsewhere.
 
What effect does it have on the passive smoker?

Breathing in other people's smoke can cause eye irritation, headache, cough, sore throat, dizziness and nausea. Just 30 minutes exposure can be enough to reduce blood flow through the heart.
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Stick anyone in a smoke filled minimally-ventilated area and it would be the same, its why houses have chimneys for the fire.

There is also evidence to show that people with asthma can experience a significant decline in lung function when exposed.

Whether or not passive smoking can trigger new cases of asthma is a hotly debated issue.
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People with asthma will show these symptoms with regard to any pollutant, not just smoking. As for hotly debated with regard to new cases, of course it is due to lack of evidence!

What about in the longer term?
Non-smokers who are exposed to passive smoking in the home, have a 25% increased risk of heart disease and lung cancer.

Researchers from London's St George's Medical School and the Royal Free hospital have recently found when you include exposure to passive smoking in the workplace and public places the risk of coronary heart disease is increased by 50-60%.
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This is why I dont smoke in an area that doesnt have a decent amount of ventilation. Smoking in offices has been ruled out for a great deal of time and having lived in my own house for approx 12 years I can count the number of times I have smoked in it on my hands and feet. As I said, adequate ventilation, if you paint with gloss you open up as much ventilation as possible, if you close all windows and doors and have the gloss paint all over you will get exactly the same symptoms of a cough, sore throat, headaches etc which in reality would end up with exactly the same end result

A major review in 1998 by the Government-appointed Scientific Committee on Tobacco and Health (SCOTH) concluded that passive smoking is a cause of lung cancer and ischaemic heart disease in adult non-smokers, and a cause of respiratory disease, cot death, middle ear disease and asthmatic attacks in children.
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If this was based on the same US study that was conducted and made a starring appearance on Penn & Teller then it was flawed and was filled with bad science

There is also some evidence to suggest that passive smoking may affect children's mental development.

SCOTH has looked at the data since 1998 and concluded secondhand smoke is damaging.

However, it is true that the health risks of breathing in other people's tobacco smoke are much smaller than those posed by actually smoking.
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some evidence, statistics and overall less damaging than actually smoking. I can agree to some evidence but what other factors have been involved? A mechanic who happens to work with another mechanic who smokes may have been exposed to vast amounts of pollutants from a car (by example), states on a form somewhere that co-workers smoked he is suddenly a statistic albeit not necessarily an accurate one.

I wont rule it out completely hence the reason I am more of a solitary smoker, but the evidence is hardly condemning enough to warrant the keyboard warrior responses and massive condemnation that smokers tend to get in these threads.
 
v2^ said:
Im a smoker and i agree its not nice for non smokers to have to breath in our smoke.

When i smoke and people walk past me i do not blow out the txins till they have gone by.

I do not smoke around people who are eating, nor do i smoke around my family when indoors. I have my own office where i will go to smoke out of the window.

Not all smokers are the same some of us do try our best to avoid non smokers being caught in the middle.

The only thing i did not like in your post Daven was the way you tard all smokers with the same brush and called us pathetic.

With an attitude like that your the pathetic one. Open your eyes young man and see not all people are the same.
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Absolutely agree with you.

I try and be a responsible smoker, too. As a fairly tall person, I find it easy to blow my smoke above other people's heads, even outside in the street.

I wonder how many of these rabid anti-smokers are fresh out of school/college, where they've been brainwashed into thinking that one puff on a ciggy inevitably leads to a very early death?
I'm also guessing that many of the irresponsible smokers are also youngsters, rebelling against authority and the anti-smoking message being pushed in schools.

When I were a lad, we were into politics, trying to put the world to rights. Nowadays it all seems to be about health.

Give it a rest, kiddies, and take an interest in the real issues - politics, war and global warming.
 
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