SNP to break up Britian?

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That sounds like a well reasoned opinion.

What is it about the current setup that has such a negative effect on your daily life that you beleive literally anything (Well, anything political) would be better than Westminster?

Due to your, usually snidey attitude to others beliefs.. Im not going to get into any for of debate with you.
 
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Its quite simple.

Scottish people who want independence are incredibly stupid.

The sheer cost of splitting everything, and devolving all the stuff England won't want to share will cost Billions upon Billions.

For what?? 5 Million people? Do me a favour.. lol.

Scotland needs to wind its neck in, and realise that its very fortunate to be part of the UK, and enjoy a higher status on the global scale.

If Scotland was on its own, it would be going nowhere fast, and Fat Alex would have to slime his way into Europe fast.

The whole thing is financially ludicrous, and anyone who actually thinks Scotland will be better off is a total and utter numpty of the highest order, and are letting this ridiculous "RULED BY LONDON" inferiority complex get to them.

Lets look at how Scotland has managed so far with its parliament and Scots making decisions shall we??

1) Parliament building looks a joke, and cost over 10 times the original budget at approx 600Million (lulz)

2) Trams in Edinburgh... yeah, nice one, that went well didnt it? (lulz again)


Its a nice romantic idea for the intellectually challenged, but thats about it.

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Or voice opinion Dolph.

Half full, half empty.

In my examples, can you describe the Democratic nature of the Iraq War, and how hundreds of thousands of people were out to disrupt and blackmail?

Can you describe how United Against Fascism is out to usurp Democracy by using their right to march and campaign against something they disagree with?

There are no doubt many you can genuinely look at and frown upon like versions of Nationalism from the Far Right, yet I don't think the general right to protest or campaign peacefully is quite as dangerous or insidious as you think.

Do you think the student fees riots, or the cuts riots, were anything other than an attempt by a small minority to force their views on the rest of the country?

I frown against everyone who thinks that by setting out to cause disruption to the lives of others, they stand a better chance of getting their point across. It's anti-democratic in every way. Whether I agree with the cause or not is utterly irrelevant to my contempt for people who behave in such a manner.
 
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Its quite simple.

Scottish people who want independence are incredibly stupid.

The sheer cost of splitting everything, and devolving all the stuff England won't want to share will cost Billions upon Billions.

For what?? 5 Million people? Do me a favour.. lol.

Scotland needs to wind its neck in, and realise that its very fortunate to be part of the UK, and enjoy a higher status on the global scale.

If Scotland was on its own, it would be going nowhere fast, and Fat Alex would have to slime his way into Europe fast.

The whole thing is financially ludicrous, and anyone who actually thinks Scotland will be better off is a total and utter numpty of the highest order, and are letting this ridiculous "RULED BY LONDON" inferiority complex get to them.

Lets look at how Scotland has managed so far with its parliament and Scots making decisions shall we??

1) Parliament building looks a joke, and cost over 10 times the original budget at approx 600Million (lulz)

2) Trams in Edinburgh... yeah, nice one, that went well didnt it? (lulz again)


Its a nice romantic idea for the intellectually challenged, but thats about it.

1) Scotland Office (Westminster) "lulz"

2) You can thank specifically Iain Grey, the "Scottish" Labour party and then the rest of the Unionist parties in forcing the flawed programme through.
 
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1) Scotland Office (Westminster) "lulz"

2) You can thank specifically Iain Grey, the "Scottish" Labour party and then the rest of the Unionist parties in forcing the flawed programme through.

Ahh and the excuses come flooding in.

All these things were wanted by scots, organised by scots, and executed by scots.

Just because someone in another location (Westminster) rubber stamped it, this has nothing to do with the disasters that both of them were.


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Do you think the student fees riots, or the cuts riots, were anything other than an attempt by a small minority to force their views on the rest of the country?

I couldn't say, nor am I particularly interested as that sort of moronic behaviour does not blight peaceful protest here.

I frown against everyone who thinks that by setting out to cause disruption to the lives of others, they stand a better chance of getting their point across. It's anti-democratic in every way. Whether I agree with the cause or not is utterly irrelevant to my contempt for people who behave in such a manner.

By marching in a street?

Things clearly bother people to different levels. I can't say I am that bothered if people want to march through their own city.
 
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Ahh and the excuses come flooding in.

All these things were wanted by scots, organised by scots, and executed by scots.

Just because someone in another location (Westminster) rubber stamped it, this has nothing to do with the disasters that both of them were.


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It was voted by Scots and undertaken by the Scottish Office, including planning and procurement. Holyrood sitting further up the Royal Mile temporarily before the parliament built had oversight only, it couldn't change anything and could only show dismay at the spiraling costs.

Of course the spending issue was caused by "Westminster", they rubber stamped a very poorly constucted brief and one sided contract?
 
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It was voted by Scots and undertaken by the Scottish Office, including planning and procurement. Holyrood sitting further up the Royal Mile temporarily before the parliament built had oversight only, it couldn't change anything and could only show dismay at the spiraling costs.

Of course the spending issue was caused by "Westminster", they rubber stamped a very poorly constucted brief and one sided contract?

Oh the lulz.

Only a Scot could actually blame Westminster for a project going wrong just because they gave it their approval.

Seriously the only way to silence these fools is to let Scotland go, let it fail, let the taxes rocket, and say "we told you so".

Its much better and cheaper having pooled administrative and government resources.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very shambolic and shallow grasp of the basics of life, economics, and business.



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I think scotland should realise it's destiny as a socialist worker's paradise. I'd love to watch that train wreck.
 
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I think scotland should realise it's destiny as a socialist worker's paradise. I'd love to watch that train wreck.

I truly hazard to reply to such an esteemed member, but whatever.

I highly doubt the SNP would go down that road and if they did, then it would be at the agreement of the people.

Considering the state of things right now, you are in no position to call anything a train wreck.
 
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Oh the lulz.

Only a Scot could actually blame Westminster for a project going wrong just because they gave it their approval.

Seriously the only way to silence these fools is to let Scotland go, let it fail, let the taxes rocket, and say "we told you so".

Its much better and cheaper having pooled administrative and government resources.

Anyone who thinks otherwise has a very shambolic and shallow grasp of the basics of life, economics, and business.



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It wasn't just approval as explained, it was project inception to creation though Westminsters arm in Scotland - the Scotland Office. It was a lot of work, although as Labour proved time after time they were not up to the task of setting stipulations and robust clauses in the contract, drafted an overly complex design that was underestimated technically and thus cost and due to the nature of the arrangements between bodies it was almost beyond anyone's control by that point.

Both sides had to sit in dismay as the bill continued to rise by all accounts, with much bickering inbetween and a Holyrood committee that could only pour scorn on the whole thing.
 
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It's jumped a lot since July then since the unemployment rate was only just above 6%?

[Source - ONS]



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Glasgow is home to the most workless households in the UK, according to the Office for National Statistics, (ONS).

Figures measured in 2009 indicate 32.1% of households in the Glasgow City council area had members of working age who were unemployed.

That'll do for me. Its a hellhole and I will let the stats do the talking on this one.


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Thats already been done.

I dont mean suckling off the English teet, I mean letting the Scottish experts run their own independent full-blown socialist paradise.

Although they would blame the resulting calamity on England, that's one thing socialism never runs out of, people to blame and excuses.
 
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I dont mean suckling off the English teet, I mean letting the Scottish experts run their own independent full-blown socialist paradise.

Although they would blame the resulting calamity on England, that's one thing socialism never runs out of, people to blame and excuses.

What's the resulting calamity kwerk?

Aren't you awaiting - heavily armed - for some sort of societal breakdown in the US anyway? :D
 
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What's the resulting calamity kwerk?

Aren't you awaiting - heavily armed - for some sort of societal breakdown in the US anyway? :D

I'm waiting for 80 years of socialism to finally die here, not to have more of it. I'm prepared for when the welfare checks bounce.
 
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