Scotland will still be within the auspices of the UK until the next general election.
SNP to break up Britian?
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Scotland will still be within the auspices of the UK until the next general election.
However, as stated in your quoted link..it is still an obligation to join the Euro as and when a country meets the criteria for joining.
And that has precisely what to do with what I stated?
It's origins began with colonisation and then transformed with de-colonisation, it's just more scare tactics about how the entire planet is going to beset upon Scotland should they decide to take the own political destiny into their own hands.
There is certainly scope for a myriad of ways for Scotland to progress, but it is more than likely that these issues of organisational rights and also intentions would be broadly similar to what we have now, and has been proposed.
It isn't, it's up to the people of Scotland to decide.
Still UK and commonwealth citizenship, still Scottish elected members both from Scotland and England in the advent of a Scottish Yes vote next year until Independence Day in 2016. He would still remain an MP, and during that transitional period Scotland should have concluded the vast majority of its negotiating and settlements. If voted in again, he's more than likely going to stay.
I can't say I'm bothered about particularly politicians, and where they have come from, the electorate will deal with them as they see fit. I'm not sure why the original poster is so concerned about nationality in that sense, sort of vindictive isolationist way.
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That doesn't change anything I stated. The commonwealth has no shared ownership. It is a membership of equals. Scotland doesn't co-own the commonwealth. It has eligibility to join if it secedes from the United Kingdom, but nothing more.
Is that politico-speak for "we don't know what will happen".
I expect Scotland to be a commonwealth member as they fulfil the criteria, however it is not certain they would even want to or what the intentions of the electorate will be.
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Again this doesn't change anything I have stated. The obligation remains, The Czech Republic is bound by the terms of their agreement of the Treaty of Accession 2003 ( a prerequisite to being considered for entry) to join the Euro upon meeting the criteria. It will be up to the Scottish Govt to negotiate themselves a position in which that obligation under treaty is nullified or amended.
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if Scotland do break away can we call it England instead of Great Britain. I also think we should create a realy big wall to keep them out.
It says in the passage you quoted
I don't think it's anything as like clear cut as "Scotland will be able to join the EU with no commitment to eventually join the Euro". Indeed it's far more likely that Scotland will have to commit to join the euro at some point as a condition of EU membership although the time table and criteria for doing so would I dare say be somewhat flexible in the name of political expediency. Granted Scotland may be able to set a timescale and criteria that are unlikely to ever be met.
That may upset the Welsh and Northern Irish members of the Union, the name that is, not the wall.
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It seems the discussion has moved a bit into what will happen when Scotland gains independence. But I am still curious as to what will happen to Scotland and pro-independence people as a whole if the yes vote wins, and more importantly what if it wins by some margin, and the fracture that could cause in the politics/polices for Scotland.
Just wondering what a post-independence pro-uk Scotland would look like, given the seemingly decades of interest in becoming and independent Scotland. Not to jump to any conclusions but could a N.Ireland / Ireland situation occur?
Just wondering what a post-independence pro-uk Scotland would look like, given the seemingly decades of interest in becoming and independent Scotland. Not to jump to any conclusions but could a N.Ireland / Ireland situation occur?
It does in terms of heritage, but I wasn't clear enough on that.
Is that politico-speak for "we don't know what will happen".
I expect Scotland to be a commonwealth member as they fulfil the criteria, however it is not certain they would even want to or what the intentions of the electorate will be.
Given you yourself have just said that there is room for maneuver and obviously a process to go through to ascertain a settled will, I can't give guarantees anymore than anyone can for the UK in the future, so you can't have your cake and eat it. It isn't cast in stone, but then you can't attack me for acknowledging that by its very premise it is a conversation Scotland would need to have in an open and transparent process. I'm sure Scotland would very much like to remain within the Commonwealth.
The obligation may be there in statute, but it still requires democratic authority.
No country can be forced to take the Euro, there are many ways of avoiding the currency including rejecting it democratically.
As a constituent ruling nation of the Former British Empire I would agree, however accords and constitutional Criteria set out since then have made that part of history rather than anything we can imply in the modern commonwealth.
I was, if you look back, arguing against definitive statements being made authoritatively. I didn't say it was cast in stone, in fact I said the opposite so its not even my cake, let alone my flavour...it was yours and it was that authoritative stance I was disputing, not the process and negotiation required.
I can't argue that Scotland would not be welcomed into the commonwealth as I cannot see any justifiable reason why not.
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Indeed, no country can be forced to do anything, but like all obligations, if not met when agreed or when stipulated within the criteria then there are also consequences. Just like no country can be forced to adopt the Euro, the EU cannot be forced to adopt a new member.
Doesn't sound a great way for a newly independent Scotland to cover itself in international glory by joining the EU knowing it had accepted a commitment to monetary union and the Euro whilst openly planning never to fulfil that commitment.
Caporegime
None of this will make much difference. It'll cost billions of pounds though.
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I think exactly what the economy needs right now is to spend billions and billions on changing the sign above the door. After that, everyones life will be revolutionised.
Soldato
I wonder how many people share Biohazard's lunatic views on Scotland?
I guess we'll find out post-referendum. We should adjust the figures though, to take into account those people that have drunk a bit too much Buckfast.
I guess we'll find out post-referendum. We should adjust the figures though, to take into account those people that have drunk a bit too much Buckfast.