So no 580 in stcok and over £300 for a 570 well done Nvidia

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 00:49

Rroff said:
Because my GTX470 SLI setup was cheaper than a single GTX580 while giving considerably better performance and when overclocked is not far behind an overclocked GTX580 SLI setup that costs considerably more. With the 570 not really changing that with the current prices then unless the latest and greatest AMD GPUs are considerably faster than the top nVidia cards or considerably cheaper I'll be even happier at the value for money I'm getting from my setup instead of it quickly being rendered obsolete by new cards. I assumed that was fairly elementary.

One problem.
You don't buy ATI cards anyway so there value & performance is pretty much irrelevant seeing as you would not have it regardless & the possible interest in feeing good is that your not losing on value & performance by not buying ATI.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:00

? how does the fact I wouldn't buy their cards have any impact on how I'd feel if their latest cards did or did not make my setup obsolete?

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:02

Rroff said:
? how does the fact I wouldn't buy their cards have any impact on how I'd feel if their latest cards did or did not make my setup obsolete?

Because if it was an NV card you would not give a damn if it out shined your setup.

kylew · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:02

Because it wouldn't be obsolete if you would never buy it.

Journey · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:09

Rroff said:
Because my GTX470 SLI setup was cheaper than a single GTX580 while giving considerably better performance and when overclocked is not far behind an overclocked GTX580 SLI setup that costs considerably more. With the 570 not really changing that with the current prices then unless the latest and greatest AMD GPUs are considerably faster than the top nVidia cards or considerably cheaper I'll be even happier at the value for money I'm getting from my setup instead of it quickly being rendered obsolete by new cards. I assumed that was fairly elementary.

You kinda missed my point, regardless of the performance you are getting once something is EOL'd they are obsolete, they may do exactly what the new cards do but the fact is they are no longer current.

Don't get me wrong I am not disagreeing with you on the performance, clearly 470 SLI is great VFM, but feeling better because something else that was inevitably going to be released was released. I think what you mean to say was you are relived that you have not wasted your money but you had to wait until these came out to confirm it.

Oh an being not far behind is always the case with a second top of the range card, it's that 10% difference that all these nutters who buy SLI 580's are wanting, they want the best.

If a 6950 xfire is 30% faster will you feel worse if costs say £460 for them?

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:31

Exactly it beats spending a load of money on something and then having something newer come out that buries it... even sweeter when the latest and greatest costs a lot more. So every time something new comes out that doesn't make me wish I'd bought it instead I feel even happier about the decision I made.

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:46

Rroff said:
Exactly it beats spending a load of money on something and then having something newer come out that buries it... even sweeter when the latest and greatest costs a lot more. So every time something new comes out that doesn't make me wish I'd bought it instead I feel even happier about the decision I made.

The problem is that even if you didn't have your 470s already & the new ATI spanked them you still would not buy the ATI cards anyway so what does it really matter when your choice would still be the 470s even after the fact there would be no decision between the ATI, NV cards.

Most people feel bad about not waiting for something that they would have bought & not about something that they never would have bought anyway.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 01:51

I don't see the problem.

jigger · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:04

Well, Nvidia have now shown the full line up to take them through the next 12-18 months, and Fermi looks pretty underwhelming again if you ask me. Its a bit like ground hog day.

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:08

Rroff said:
I don't see the problem.

Well you would not because your motives are not true.

All things being equal i would not buy an NV card but there is one feature that i want that neither ATI or NV are offering ATM but if NV offer it i will switch over but until that time if ever i have never had any regret in buying an ATI card over a NV card when the NV card is faster because im not going to buy that NV card anyway so my choice is still with the price to performance between the ATI card range is what i care about.

So you saying about the decision based on what ATI are offering is void as your not going to buy it & it would not change what range of NV card you would have bought either based on what ATI are offering would it unless NV drops the price because of it.

Which basically leaves that your not happy that the competitor has a possibly equal or faster, better value card & you cant have it because of your motives where i would not give a damn that the competition has a possibly equal or faster, better value card.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:11

What have motives anything to do with it?

kylew · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:15

Rroff said:
What have motives anything to do with it?

I'm quite interested, do you have some sort of condition that means you're unable to answer a question directly?

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:22

Rroff said:
What have motives anything to do with it?

I have already told you them.
As your claim of feeling good of a buying decision being based on what the competition is offering is in valid as if there is no price reduction in NV cards because of it you would still buy the same NV cards regardless of what ATI are offering & if that makes you feel bad then you should think again.

As its nothing to do with what NV card you bought & its about the competition having something that is better that you will not buy.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:29

It doesn't matter whether I would buy the competition or not - I said it makes me happier every time a new setup comes out, AMD or as I mentioned the nVidia 5x0 cards and my current setup still stands up well against them. I'm not sure whats such a big deal about it. Unless you somehow feel I'm slighting the new 69xx cards in which case your completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:36

kylew said:
I'm quite interested, do you have some sort of condition that means you're unable to answer a question directly?

I assume you were referring to this?:

Journey said:
Why would it matter if something better comes that out shines your setup? Surely you bought it because it was the best value for price/performance at the time, and given that you can't really predict the future you should feel the same as you did the day you bought it, not better.

Which questions something not part of or implied in my original statement. But to answer it; I don't give a crap if something comes out that outshines my setup aslong as the setup I have does what I need for it, but it is satisfying when the latest and greatest setup comes out, regardless who makes it and my setup still retains great relative value for money and performance compared to it. So it makes me happier about my purchase.

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:36

Rroff said:
It doesn't matter whether I would buy the competition or not - I said it makes me happier every time a new setup comes out, AMD or as I mentioned the nVidia 5x0 cards and my current setup still stands up well against them. I'm not sure whats such a big deal about it. Unless you somehow feel I'm slighting the new 69xx cards in which case your completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

It can only make you bitter if you care that the competition has something better or equal that is of better value than what you have & you would have still ended up with what you had anyway so there is no decision to be made is there.

If the new ATi spanks your 470s then what NV cards would you have bought instead that would have made you feel better about your buying decision ?

jigger · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:37

I think what's Rroff trying to say in his own little mixed up way, is he is glad to see such a huge price gap between, the cards he could afford back then, compared to now.

However, I feel his must be comparing them in some way, and having some type of regrets over buying the two GTX470's or what's the point of announcing his justifications to the forum if it not to provide himself with some type of relief. I suspect whats really eating at him is the fact he knows if he had waited until after Christmas he feels he could have picked up a pair of GTX570 and avoided the issue he feels he must denie publicly.

So the question should maybe be, What's the problem Rroff ?

Final8y · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:43

jigger said:
I think what's Rroff trying to say in his own little mixed up way, is he is glad to see such a huge price gap between, the cards he could afford back then, compared to now.

However, I feel his must be comparing them in some way, and having some type of regrets over buying the two GTX470's or what's the point of announcing his justifications to the forum if it not to provide himself with some type of relief. I suspect whats really eating at him is the fact he knows if he had waited until after Christmas he feels he could have picked up a pair of GTX570 and avoided the issue he feels he must denie publicly.

So the question should maybe be, What's the problem Rroff ?

Now that's a valid answer.

Rroff · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:45

lol your well off the um money jigger... anyone from OcUK could tell you from checking my account with them that if theres one thing I'm not short of its money.

Journey · 8 Dec 2010 at 02:46

Basically it comes down to one simple thing, time and again, and lots of people do it. They buy a product and feel the need to defend the action with statements started with such things as 'I feel better' or 'I am glad' it's merely self congratulatory reinforcement on what they saw as making the best decision (makes sense in my head).

I spent £125 on an ATI 5770 1GB upgrading my aged 880GTS and a week later could have had a GTX460 1GB for the £140, did I feel worse because Nvidia offered better VFM, not really since I already made my decision based on what was available at the time. Had I waited a week of course I would have bought the GTX460, and been glad that I had not spent my money a week earlier, but then Green or Red does not play a part in my choice, I am colour blind and simply buy what is best now/when I need it.