So, you want to keep a pet tarantula?

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Most Chile rose seem to end up around the 5" mark (across)

The one in my local pet shop is a right whopper though, about 6.5" across and a really thick legged and stocky looking.

The red-phase (like my own Chile rose) is far better looking IMO, but there's no telling what colour variant they'll be until they get to adulthood.
 
My Power Feeding Experiment

When I first got Miguel, I decided to conduct a bit of an experiment.

In tarantula keeping circles, there is a much-discussed method of raising juveniles known as "Power-Feeding"

Basically, you choose a tarantula and feed it as much as it can physically eat, in an attempt to make it mature quickly.
This requires a spider with good feeding responses, making a baby Curly Hair ideal.

I decided to feed Miguel as much as he could manage to eat, whilst using his fellow hatchlings in the pet shop as "control spiders"
I know that the pet shop owner feeds his spiderlings once a week with a single medium cricket each.

Miguel was aquired on 18/2/03. Here he is on my hand - he'd moulted shortly before I purchased him.

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I fed him as many mealworms and crickets as possible over the next month (a typical weeks food for him was around 15 crickets or up to 30 mealworms :eek: ) - he fasted just a couple of days before moulting on 14/03/03

The picture below was taken on 20/03/03, one month after purchase.
As you can see, he has clearly grown a substantial amount.

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As you probably guessed, he ate ravenously before entering a fast on 14/04/03
Miguel moulted again (in my absence) on 18/04/03 - making each moult approximately a month apart.

This picture was taken on 23/04/03 - two months after I purchased him.

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As you can see, he is now a seriously chunky spider.

I returned to the pet shop last week to check on his fellow hatchlings - the ones fed once a week.
Some of shed once in the last 2 months, and others not at all. None are anywhere near Miguel's size - and most are still the same size he was 2 months ago.

Conclusion
Power Feeding works!
 
The main risk with power-feeding is the possibility of a ruptured abdomen - the abdomen, unlike the rest of the spider, is soft and prone to being split.
If the spider were to fall or be dropped, then a ruptured abdomen would be almost certain to kill the spider.
However, Miguel is kept in a rather low tank, so there's no danger of that happening. I never let him get too fat - I've seen tarantulas eat so much that they are virtually ballooning.

The other problem is that it can reduce lifespan - for example it may take a Curly hair 18 months to mature normally - power feeding might cut that down to ten.

Personally I like to power-feed them until adulthood, and then return their feeding pattern to normal so as not to shorten lifespan :)
 
Well, I've been moaned at by Minxy on MSN for not posting enough pictures of my current collection - so, from the top, here's a rundown on how everyone is doing.

Pepper

Pepper is the same as ever. Docile, calm and inactive. I'm currently looking to borrow a male Chile rose to see if she'll mate with him and produce an egg sac.
I've revamped her home with new substrate and a piece of cork bark, and she seems very happy with it

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Mugabe

Mugabe is heavily pre-moult. He's extremely defensive, off his food, but still has a swollen abdomen despite not eating. I'm hoping for a shed within the next week or so.

Here he is showing Kate what he does when he gets annoyed:

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I'm hoping Mugabe will moult into a mature female by the summer.

Idi Amin

Idi has been feeding voraciously and keeping himself to himself as usual. He comes out to bask at night sometimes, but never for very long. He's growing well - but I think he'll end up a male. If so, he will be studded out in as many breeding programmes as possible.

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That was taken just a few minutes ago.

Miguel

Miguel has regained his infamous appetite since his last moult - this is another one I expect to be mature by the summer. At this rate of growth I'll have one seriously big Curly on my hands.

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That's him yesterday, feeding on a hapless cricket.

Mazir
Found out some interesting information about my little Indian Violet today

This genus has a range west to India, east to Vietnam, north to China, and south to Sri Lanka. They are members of a recent Asian importation to the US and their venom (at least in the case of the Thai brown) is reportedly more potent than average. In general, the spiders of this genus get huge, with some topping 8" in legspan
These spiders shouldnot be handled due to their potent venom and aggressive temperament
Glad I didn't try handling him today now! Saying that, he seems more skittish than aggressive to me. He's another one on a feeding fest - crickets get comprehensively murdered as soon as I drop them into his heavily-webbed tank. He feeds differently to my other tarantulas, preferring to strike repeatedly to kill the cricket, instead of gathering it up at once.

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He's getting fat! Already very colourful, the adults are even more spectacular. This one will definitely be bred, be it male or female. They are still rather rare in the hobby.
 
Guarico

Here's another one who just moulted - Guarico is now a handsome jet black spiderling with flesh coloured markings (these will deepen to orange as he matures)
Guarico is bigger then Pele, but his skittish and secretive nature makes holding him an impossibility for now

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Taking pics of him through the glass will be much easier when I get him into a larger tank.

Pele

The seven-legged Pinktoe is eating like a horse. It was being fed on micro crickets in the pet shop,but I took the plunge and offered it a normal crick, with the back legs cut off.
The cricket was far larger than the spider itself - but Pele took it no problem.
He's now looking extremely fat, so I can leave him without foodfor a while. Hopefully that missing front leg will regenerate with the next moult.

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I'll be interested to see when he starts losing his "baby colours"

Update complete!
 
Stout legged baboons (E. pachypus is the latin name I believe) are one of the funniest looking spiders around - all hairy legs :D

Not for the beginner mind you, and neither are the (admittedly gorgeous) Ornamentals (Poecilotheria sp.)

Repo, if you are seriously considering getting a T, I advise you to wait for the BTS show in May - there will be loads of cool stuff on sale.

If you want I don't mind picking you up a certain T that you want - as long as you definitely want it!

It's on May 18th, drop me a line nearer the time if you want me to shop for you :)
 
Originally posted by Nexus
I'd been looking at most of the suggested sites and it seems that most dealers seem to be out of the spiderlings I've been considering at the momment.
Nexus, I'd advise you to do the same as Repo and wait for the BTS show in May - there should be a fantastic range of stuff available.

I've moved Guarico into a larger tank as he seems to be growing nicely. Managed to get a pic for scale whilst transferring him:

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I've also moved Maz back into his original (smaller) tank - he seemed a little stressed and lost in the large tank.
 
Re: Thanks....

Originally posted by si_sleaf
....for the info LK. I will put a picture on here tomorrow sometime after lunch. DHL are delivering everything so I will have it by noon. As he/she is going to be a Chilean spider I think I will follow Lopez's lead and call him/her Pinochet. w00t!
Haha! That actually made me laugh out loud :D

Good luck with the baby Chile - remember spiderlings are a lot more sensitive to drying out than adult tarantulas, so it pays to keep the little ones reasonably moist :)
 
Re: Chilean Chum

Originally posted by si_sleaf
I have ordereed hi m from my friend weho works fro dinosaurnutrutiom,.vom,. I hsvr to go bed nowj i'm verry drunk.

see you tomorrow

simon
Rofl, quality post :D

I'm trying my first mail order crickets this week, from Global Live Foods (Easy Exotics)
They should arrive today so I'll find out if they're any good. :)
 
Everything Kate's said is pretty much spot on :)

Your Chile will be very cold, sluggish and dehydrated after it's overnight journey.
You should have no bother at all just opening the container and letting him crawl out. Leave him to settle somewhere very warm, and make sure he has access to some form of moisture. Don't bother offering him food initially as he'll be a bit stressed.

Godd luck :)
 
Re: Arrived safely

Originally posted by si_sleaf
My spider has arrived safely. Pinochet is currently sitting in the corner settling in. I am now going to go to one of the pet stores in town and get him a nice plant or a piece of log to climb. All I got sent from the store was a small container 12"x10"x8" a red lamp that fits in the top, some substrate, water dish and spider with one cricket. I won't buy any more food today as he probably won't eat anyway.

Also, it's not a spiderling. Appears to be around the size of a 50p so a juvenile?

He he, this cricket appears to be looking for a way out. He just walked over to the spider, felt it with his antennae and absolutely legged it to the other corner. Have to say though I don't blame him!
50p size is still spiderling - when he starts looking like a "real" tarantula (see the difference between Maz and Miguel for example - Maz is still a spiderling, Miguel is now a juvenile)

A note about the red lamp.

1) Keep a very very close eye on humidity levels - I used a flourescent lamp for a while and noticed it was drying the tank out and "baking" crickets left in the tank during the day - so not very good for the tarantula

2) If you decide to change it, swap it for a heat mat, which can be placed behind or underneath the tank

3) If you keep it, make sure there is plenty of water available for the spider along with a very good hidey-hole, like a big plant and large slab of bark to hide under. Also make sure the spider can't touch the lamp at all - Chile rose slings are very good climbers and you don't want Pinochet getting grilled!
 
Originally posted by si_sleaf
I presume tarantulas are the same as our normal house spiders and can't climb the sides?
Unfortunately for you, all theraphosid tarantulas have "sticky pads" on each foot, so they can run up pretty much anything - working in the bath just gives you a better chance to catch him if he escapes - don't worry, as Chile roses get bigger they tend to slow down :)
 
Just a quick pointer.

Many keepers (myself included) don't give their tarantulas waterbowls until they reach the 1 or 2 inch mark - spiderlings gain all the moisture they need from crickets.

The only problem you will get is dessication - this is why I'm using a small piece of damp cotton wool in my spiderling tanks for some added moisture.

Forget misting, it only works for about half an hour and then the effect is lost - unless you directly mist any webbing. This is far more effective.

Neither of my 2 spiderlings have water dishes, and I only recently gave one to Miguel. As long as the tanks aren't bone dry they will be fine.

Remember that the Chile rose lives in coastal forest and scrublands, where it is pretty dry. Google for as many caresheets as you can - there is an excellent, excellent one available in this thread
 
Originally posted by Nexus
Excellent, thanks Lopez.

I understood that cotton wool was a bad idea due to crickets laying eggs in it and it getting mouldy. I suppose if its changed everyday it will be just fine.
It is a bad idea, yep.

But I change it daily - and it's only until these slings are big enough for a water bowl. They are both arboreal species needing around 80% humidity which is why they have to have some form of moisture.
 
Originally posted by si_sleaf[/i]
One of my friends at work introduced me to a guy who breeds Ts. He has offered me an Indian Ornamental spiderling for £2. I know it is an advanced keepers and am not sure what to say. Should I take it? I'd love to have a "collection" rather than just my Pinochet. Do you think I'd be ok if I kept it strictly "look don't touch" and if I'm super-careful? I've been looking at some of the pics on the net of this spider and it looks fantastic. But I think perhaps it's a case of learning to walk before trying to run as it were. What do you more experienced guys think?
Indian Ornamentals are indeed stunning tarantulas. I'm hoping to pick one up at the BTS show this month :)
If I put my sensible head on, I'd honestly say you'd be asking for trouble getting one now. I know it's a real downer when people come along and say "ooh you need to take it slowly blah blah blah" but I think with regard to Poecilotheria (Ornamentals) it's good advice. These are rapid spiders that are aggressive when disturbed. If bitten the consequences will be very uncomfortable at the very least - Pokie venom is thought to be a little more potent than South American tarantulas (same goes for any Asian /African tarantula)
Do yourself a favour and wait a while - that's my honest advice anyway.

Originally posted by Repo
Two quesions:

The pet shop guy told me to feed him on fishing bait maggots or crickets; are the maggots ok as I've not really seen them mentioned here?

I bought some potting compost from B&Q for his/her new jar (it's small coffee jar sized) - says 91% peat on the bag - that's ok too I suppose?
By maggots I expect the guy meant mealworms, which are fine as a food source (though smaller spiderlings might not eat them)
Overall crickets work best and have a better overall nutritional content.

The soil should be fine, sterelise it by microwaving first (let it cool down before dumping the spider onto steaming hot peat!)
 
LOL!

If you want I'll nip down to see my local breeder - he has some lovely chunky Curly hair tarantulas available and we could do a swap if you like (Special Delivery is about £4, they need wrapping up well)

They are docile, handleable and feed well - about this size:

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They live about 15 years and grow much bigger and chunkier than the Chile rose :)

EDIT

I must say, that's a very mature attitude to take - we need more T keepers like you :)
 
Originally posted by SaBBz
From looking at my tarantula book the brazilian white knee would be good if I didnt handle it, any thoughts lopez? I might get that and the Flame knee :)
Kate had a White Knee as her second tarantula - healthy eating, fast growing, but can be a bit tetchy. As always, test the water before grabbing hold of it ;)

They can get up to around 10" as well :D
Another bonus is they are easy to breed and produce over 1000 babies per clutch, so they are very cheap to buy as spiderlings (considering they are such a handsome species)

I'd say you should be fine with one if you read up plenty about them.
 
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