Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!

You seem to be talking yourself in to buying a Lambo. :D

When are you driving some options?

Already driven GT3 RS, GT3 and Huracan, but on track, also driven a GT3 on road.
Lamborghini have invited me down to drive, told them I shall wait for the snow to melt and things warm up a little.

I am also booking 458, 570S and GT3 to drive at Oulton Park, shall then also drive every car on the road as I do love the 458 and it is also rated as safest buy depreciation wise, potentially losing nothing and this is a firm favourite:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classi...price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=st150gp&page=5


Plan is:
- Advertise SVR in next few days.
- Test drive all cars next month and in March.
- Sell SVR in March
- Look at making a purchase end of March or end of April or if financials suggest wait until later in year.
 

Lovely thing, my boss loves his 458, it’s a 2011 Italia, he prefers to track his race prepped Mini but I’d guess that’s due to a slight value difference! :D
He’s also got a Range Rover but does daily the 458 even though the winter.

It sounds sublime.

His is black but I really think yellow shows it off much better, but it still looks good in black but I think the colour hides it’s lines.
 
Already driven GT3 RS, GT3 and Huracan, but on track, also driven a GT3 on road.
Lamborghini have invited me down to drive, told them I shall wait for the snow to melt and things warm up a little.

I am also booking 458, 570S and GT3 to drive at Oulton Park, shall then also drive every car on the road as I do love the 458 and it is also rated as safest buy depreciation wise, potentially losing nothing and this is a firm favourite:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201812213420115?advertising-location=at_cars&make=FERRARI&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=New&model=458&sort=price-asc&radius=1500&postcode=st150gp&page=5


Plan is:
- Advertise SVR in next few days.
- Test drive all cars next month and in March.
- Sell SVR in March
- Look at making a purchase end of March or end of April or if financials suggest wait until later in year.


I have probably forgotten someone so apologies, but if you were to go for a 458 would that be the first Ferrari in the Overclockers staff car park since the days of Spie ?
 
I have probably forgotten someone so apologies, but if you were to go for a 458 would that be the first Ferrari in the Overclockers staff car park since the days of Spie ?

It would indeed I think, not that really matters to me. Don't think Mark ever did Lamborghini he was more a Ferrari man.

Just got numbers back on a Performante:

202k car
72k down (I would put 90k down anyway, so be under £550 per month and save interest!)
128k balloon

£650 per month, 4.8% APR, over 100k borrowing puts me in a lower rate, base is around 2.5% so the Performante is easily affordable monthly and would cost me less to run, no mods needed, no extended warranties, only question is service cost and of course depreciation.

A 130-140k Huracan will probably not go under 110k, probably hold above 120k. Whereas a Performante worse case 150-160k, so 40-50k loss, but on flip side it could hold its money and sit in 185-205k region or it could explode.

The lender is very flexible, when the 128k balloon is due they are happy to give car back to Lamborghini but they will give 20k under sell price as that is there typical profit in a flagship used car, or I can notify them 2-3 months before final payment and sell car privately or I can re-finance the final payment with them over a typical say 5-7yr period at around 5% APR, not as good as bank or mortgage rates, so just under £2000 a month. If I did love the car then of course I'd make regular over payments so when final settlement figure did come it was more like 75k and not 128k at which point were at a easier and more manageable £1250 or less per month.

So the finances are sorted, just sell SVR, watch the market, drive the cars, make my decision. :)
 
It would indeed I think, not that really matters to me. Don't think Mark ever did Lamborghini he was more a Ferrari man.

He was always a big fan of Lamborghini and was so close to pulling the trigger on a Murcielago instead of the 599. His favorite car of all time was the Miura.

The problem was to fit inside the car they were going to mount the seat rails 2 inches lower to accommodate for his headroom. The factory agreed to do this for him but he then went back to Ferrari as they were the "classier" option. Also he often drove around Europe and the 599 is far better suited to that especially in regards to luggage.

When the Aventador was released he tried to go down the same route as the outgoing car but sadly Lamborghini could not make the changes due to air bag positioning. So he kept the 599, which we still have.
 
He was always a big fan of Lamborghini and was so close to pulling the trigger on a Murcielago instead of the 599. His favorite car of all time was the Miura.

The problem was to fit inside the car they were going to mount the seat rails 2 inches lower to accommodate for his headroom. The factory agreed to do this for him but he then went back to Ferrari as they were the "classier" option. Also he often drove around Europe and the 599 is far better suited to that especially in regards to luggage.

When the Aventador was released he tried to go down the same route as the outgoing car but sadly Lamborghini could not make the changes due to air bag positioning. So he kept the 599, which we still have.


Never sell that 599 man, its your old mans car, treasure it forever! :)
Yes Lamborghini are severely restricted for taller people, the Huracan might give you issues as with a helmet on I did in some corners hit my head, but on the plus side it was also good for resting my head against the roofline.
Yes Lamborghini seem to have zero baggage space.

They design on looks first, performance second, interior third and the last thing they think of is can a person fit in this. :D
 
So he kept the 599, which we still have.
I'm sure you must experience so many mixed emotions whenever you see / drive it, I'm taking it as a given that your now fiscally secure so the need to sell won't arise.

Keep it, treasure it, let it be a part of your ol' man that will stay with you.

OC/UK will always be Mark's legacy but let the 599 be your own lasting tribute.

(Not sure if thats coming across right, I hope you get my sentiment.)
 
I'm sure you must experience so many mixed emotions whenever you see / drive it, I'm taking it as a given that your now fiscally secure so the need to sell won't arise.

Keep it, treasure it, let it be a part of your ol' man that will stay with you.

OC/UK will always be Mark's legacy but let the 599 be your own lasting tribute.

(Not sure if thats coming across right, I hope you get my sentiment.)


I am sure Nath does, I agree never let that car go, I'd get it properly fully paint corrected and valeted, though knowing Mark I bet it is absolutely perfection, so just place it in an air bubble, or even better do your old man a great duty and enjoy it like he did. :)


A question for those better with PCP.


This is not final numbers, but the finance company have essentially improved their offer and are ready when I am.

I have two options (these numbers purely example):

Option 1 (Oracle) or DSG: Typical PCP so I gain equity in the car:
Car purchase price: £140,000
Customer Deposit: £70,000
24 monthly payments of: £937.90 (£22,509.60)
Final payment: £55,000
Total amount repayable: £147,509.60 (£7509.60 interest @ 5.9% APR)

Advantage: Equity been built in car over term and lower final balloon.
Dis-advantage: Over payments can only be used to reduce monthly payment amount, thus impacting interest saved (rebate) the least amount. You cannot reduce balloon or term, so at best could probably get total interest paid down to around £6500


Option 2 (Magnitude): Interest ONLY PCP
Car purchase price: £140,000
Customer Deposit: £70,000
25 monthly payments of: £295 (£7375)
Final payment: £70,100
Total amount repayable: £147,500 (£7500 interest @ 5.0% APR)

Advantage: Lower monthly payment, more flexibility with over payments, you can reduce balloon, term and monthly payment, can over pay by upto £8000 per year with no charge. So a greater interest rebate by doing so and further reduces monthly payment. More re-finance options at end term for final balloon, hand car back, sell privately, re-finance balloon with traditional 5yr loan.
Dis-advantage: No further equity in purchase unless you over pay. Higher final payment if you make no over payments.


In short both types result in the same amount of money repaid.
They make you feel like your getting a better deal on interest only due to lower monthly and of course the lower APR, but reality is because the final balloon is higher it essentially offers no saving, they are gambling on you won't make overpayments.

Speaking to them, they can probably get traditional PCP APR down towards 5.4-5.6% which would drop the total interest paid to around £7000. The interest free they feel they can get down towards 4.8% APR so again about £7000.


To me the interest only option makes a lot of sense as I can then probably overpay by around 15-20k per year, shall find out the charge for exceeding £8000 per year but think it was just an admin fee, no doubt to offset some of the lost interest rebate by doing so.

I think by putting in a larger deposit and some over payments I can keep the interest charged under £5000 which I'd be very happy with on a 150k purchase (upto 70k borrowed). :)
 
Is it something you can add later easily via maybe Lamborghini accessories?

Oracle just did me quite a competitive quote too using more traditional PCP but allowing for more than 40% deposit and not just interest balance payments as offered previous.

Though in the end the all seem to come to same result for final/overall/total cost.

I imagine so...it just looks rather out of place.

Huracan-Cupholder-94080.jpg
 
Take the interest only option, pay off the first 8k as soon as you can which knocks you down to just under 6k interest.


What I am thinking, smash in an 8k over payment in first months, then following year, same again, bring the balloon down to 54k, monthly probably around £270 area and total interest £5500 area. Then save and pay balloon at end and own the car.
Am thinking regular Huracan, maybe trying to get into a Performante is just greedy and would leave me nowhere to go, in 2-3yr time Performante will either be cheaper, same or exploded in which case EVO's will be around 170-190k no doubt and could just move into one of those or something from another brand.

Confused though by some Huracan's have sport exhaust and Lamborghini seem to offer a race exhaust in aftermarket claiming 5% more power and torque and 10% lighter. So I guess a stock car is loud, sport one is very loud and the race is just plain stupid? :D

Or just don't care then fit this:
https://www.fabspeed.com/lamborghini-huracan-valvetronic-supersport-x-pipe-exhaust-system/

650HP crank, would have to clear it with Lambo but from my brief conversation and talking to owners they are fine, supposedly for one owner they even flashed his 580-2 to the 610-4 map FOC, seem a bit like Ferrari they don't mind exhaust mods.


I imagine so...it just looks rather out of place.

Huracan-Cupholder-94080.jpg


$1000, LOL!
OK I just take a passenger, they can hold the drinks. :D
 
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@Gibbo, I hate you...:p posting these figures and how affordable they are if you're willing to overpay has got me seriously tempted end of this year. I was trying to be sensible and wait for a couple of years at least!

I've got a dealership near me in Pangbourne which is 10-15 minutes away, which doesn't help with the temptation.

I'll wait and see how you get on with it at the very least, as you've clearly talked yourself in to the Huracan, and rightly so :p
 
The interest only option works better in your favour. It's a car you love so you won't be giving it back at the end of the term without anything to show for the ~£77k you've put in, and presumably you could re-finance or pay off the final balloon payment?
 
Yeah I'd look at paying it off or refinancing it. The reason I was going to wait 3 years was so that I could probably buy one outright, banking on them being around the 120k-130k mark then. But with these figures, it could change that a bit...in terms of waiting

I'm obviously not going to rush in to anything, but it's reassuring to know just how accessible my dream car is

EDIT - Just realised you were talking to Gibbo :p oops!
 
Never sell that 599 man, its your old mans car, treasure it forever! :)

I'm sure you must experience so many mixed emotions whenever you see / drive it, I'm taking it as a given that your now fiscally secure so the need to sell won't arise.

Keep it, treasure it, let it be a part of your ol' man that will stay with you.

OC/UK will always be Mark's legacy but let the 599 be your own lasting tribute.

(Not sure if thats coming across right, I hope you get my sentiment.)

Yeah I appreciate it.

It belongs to the family not any one person so it's not going anywhere.

I've not driven it and probably never will, too much pressure to handle!

Also being LHD & in Jersey is not a great combo for getting the most out of a 599.

Yeah I'd look at paying it off or refinancing it. The reason I was going to wait 3 years was so that I could probably buy one outright, banking on them being around the 120k-130k mark then.

Huracans are dipping below £130K now mate.
 
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