Southport stabbings

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Freefaller said:
I mean killing anyone is disgusting, but kids.... I mean I'm a parent so the impact is far more visceral, but honestly they must have a mental condition.
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And 17 himself..so pretty much a kid himself, wonder if we will ever find out the motive etc.
 
cu3ed said:
And 17 himself..so pretty much a kid himself, wonder if we will ever find out the motive etc.
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Of course we could find the motive.
A close look at his parents / upbringing, browsing history, circle of ‘sicko friends’
 
cu3ed said:
And 17 himself..so pretty much a kid himself, wonder if we will ever find out the motive etc.
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It could be a whole plethora of things unfortunately. I just feel deeply for the parents of the dead children. I don't think I'd want to be alive anymore if that happened to me.
 
robgmun said:
It's been repeatedly shown that 30%-40% of Muslims would like Shara Law in this country. No matter if they were born here or not. It doesn't matter where they were born, they have a culture that is incompatible with British values of women's and children's rights, and freedoms of the common man.
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nothing says hes muslim though.

but yea, Muslim is not compatible with our society, we seem to be heading towards a Muslim country due to birth rates.

There will come a time when all our freedoms start to fade away and you might live to see it, you might even see Sharia law.

Sharia law might not even be a bad thing for "safety" tbh if they actually punish murderers etc but then a lot of people become basically cattle


I'm off the opinion a lot of people can not be reformed, they will never change and they shouldn't be given a second or third chance. our courts are laughable

In the news today an autistic 11 year old with a mental age of 2 who had been beaten by a teaching assistant for 19 minutes, only pausing the violence as other teachers walked past.... literally they must have realised what was happening and turned a blind eye, I bet they all kept their jobs too because there's no mention of them.
guess the sentence!


SUSPENDED,......

A mother has been left 'devestated' after a teaching assistant was caught on CCTV violently beating her 11-year-old autistic son at school.

The 19-minute video shows William Kevin Clifford, 61, pushing Tobie Orlowski to the ground before punching and kicking him in a prolonged attack.

Tobie, who has a mental age of two, is autistic and mute.

Clifford, who was a classroom assistant at Tettenhall Wood School in Wolverhampton at the time, was handed a suspended jail sentence earlier this month.

But the disturbing footage has only just been released.

Clifford appears to punch and kick Tobie several times while he sits on the ground as other children play nearby.

Tobie tries to crawl away but the teaching assistant follows him, and knees him in the back as he is crouched behind a small gate in the playground.

Clifford was handed a nine month jail term, suspended for 18 months, along with 150 hours of unpaid work at Wolverhampton Crown Court on July 10.
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Guess what the judge said

The judge deemed Clifford had already suffered for his actions, and spared him a lengthy jail term.

Passing sentencing, the judge told the court: 'William Kevin Clifford has several mitigating factors and a huge amount of suffering whilst waiting for this case to be concluded, including anxiety, weight gain and the inability to secure any employment.'
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WEIGHJT GAIN .... inability to secure employment.... anxiety..... whats this judge smoking?


Why does law see the attacker as a VICTIM? someone please explain that.... you can't surely? there's no logic?
 
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Kenai said:
I genuinely don't think mentally healthy people are capable of killing kids, whether there are other influences involved or not, you have to be broken in the head to some degree to be capable of that
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This is the problem when mental health is mentioned. It can remove responsibility from an evil person. Because acts of evil aren't normal.

In my "special school" there were people with mental health conditions. All of them knew right from wrong.

I think the mental health card is thrown around to quickly without much thought for the increased stigma it gives to people with mental health conditions. I know from personal experiences "the normies" will assume the worst in initial perception until proved otherwise. It is slightly easier for me with a visible disability to overcome most negative stereotypes. I can imagine it's a lot more difficult for people with hidden disabilities.
 
My wife was brought to tears over this last night. We have a young daughter, so it hits hard.

As a parent, you're utterly helpless with this sort of thing. What are we to do? Not allow our children to enjoy life for fear of being stabbed?

There are no words.
 
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BowdonUK said:
This is the problem when mental health is mentioned. It can remove responsibility from an evil person. Because acts of evil aren't normal.

In my "special school" there were people with mental health conditions. All of them knew right from wrong.

I think the mental health card is thrown around to quickly without much thought for the increased stigma it gives to people with mental health conditions. I know from personal experiences "the normies" will assume the worst in initial perception until proved otherwise. It is slightly easier for me with a visible disability to overcome most negative stereotypes. I can imagine it's a lot more difficult for people with hidden disabilities.
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Mental health issues doesn't absolve you of anything IMO, it just helps indicate a cause. Does it solve the problem for the victims? No. Does it offer solace? Of course not. However, I think modern society is now so much more complex and has changed dramatically over the last generation, I think that these things are so much more common now, and we have a responsibility to be more aware of it. I'm not blaming anyone other than the murderer - I'm not excusing his actions. He is sick, and unhinged to have wanted to do something like that. My point is we need to start identifying these things more closely and not be embarrassed to have been identified as having a mental condition so that we can prevent it getting to that level of horror.
 
EdGey said:
My wife was brought to tears over this last night. We have a young daughter, so it hits hard.

As a parent, you're utterly helpless with this sort of thing. What are we to do? Not allow our children to enjoy life for fear of being stabbed?

There are no words.
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Yes I feel this very strongly... I want my children to live their lives, we live in a safe space, but when things like this happens... it makes you want to protect them and hide them, but that does them no good either... I'm feeling pretty distraught about this if I'm honest.
 
Kenai said:
I genuinely don't think mentally healthy people are capable of killing kids, whether there are other influences involved or not, you have to be broken in the head to some degree to be capable of that
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It's happening on mass in Gaza right now and it's happened in most genocides. Deep seated hatred, dehumanisation and tribalism all make such thought processes palatable.

Still I doubt most people in sound mind would think they'd want to throw their life away by committing a massacre in a society with our legal penalties
 
I think we should mention the two brave women who fought to defend upto 25 children in the room against the attacker.

Leanne Lucas and Heidi Barlow, both injured, protecting the children. I hope they get some kind of recognition for their actions, maybe a bravery award?

In an era when many people stand around watching or recording on their phone, these two brave souls stepped upto the plate at the risk of their own lives.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I think one of the concerns that some seem to have when it comes to blaming these attacks on a mental health problem or disorder is that it can deter others from talking about their MH issues and getting help for fear of stigma, even when they're nowhere near as far gone. We know how common it is these days to lump everyone with a label together.

In the US, where some of the school shooters turned out to be autistic, we have seen instances of parents calling for all other autistic children to be removed from schools, as if autism itself was the problem.

Dismissing it as 'we know the real reason they're blaming it on mental health' is not the answer.
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Problem is the media and the left love to blame serious crime on mental health issues. They view it as some sort of justification / excuse for the perpetrators actions.

Criminals know this as well and play the mental health card to get a shorter sentence / sympathy.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I think one of the concerns that some seem to have when it comes to blaming these attacks on a mental health problem or disorder is that it can deter others from talking about their MH issues and getting help for fear of stigma, even when they're nowhere near as far gone. We know how common it is these days to lump everyone with a label together.

In the US, where some of the school shooters turned out to be autistic, we have seen instances of parents calling for all other autistic children to be removed from schools, as if autism itself was the problem.

Dismissing it as 'we know the real reason they're blaming it on mental health' is not the answer.
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you can say the same to any illness though, even paedophiles arent wired right in the head, understanding why people do it with scientific evidence is important. accepting it is a totally different kettle of fish
 
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