Spartans unite! Tonight, we dine on the NHS!

Although it is a set back, I would say don’t give up, and go through the appeal process. Yes it will take time, but it is quite possible that the NHS are having to justify their spending in a lot more detail now, especially with all the budget constraints.

So to say they wont do it because you said you go to a gym makes it quite final when in fact you still have an appeal process you can go through. They have said that you can make an appeal case with your GP, at which point they will factor in things like self confidence/depression etc and then they would make a more thorough final decision.

Yes its going the long way around, and I personally don’t agree with the process, but if doing this is saving the NHS money overall then its something they have to do, and sadly we have to put up with.

Stick with it dude, at least if you do get a final no from the NHS, it will give you a little extra time to save up and go private . If they say yes in the end and you started to save, well you got your self a nice little slush fund ;)
 
The thing is, even though we can't really (well I can't :o) see the big issue, it's clearly a problem for you. You are vain (I don't mean that in a detrimental fashion) and as such it will affect you more than most. I'd dread to think how you'd be if you had my body hair and lack of head hair!! :p

So as it is a big issue for you, you need to perhaps dig deep and either try and not let it be an issue, or, save up and get it done either abroad or privately or appeal to try and get it over turned. :)

Good luck with it. :)
 
You say you can't see the issue, but look in my 2nd pic. Bear in mind these pics are taken in a cold room, so this is gyno at it's least severe. Now look at that chest, on a guy who is in those pictures relatively lean. That isn't a sculpted pec of peace, that is an undefined moob of sadness.

Now imagine how it feels for me waking up from a nice toasty bed room when it's at maximum puffiness and sloppiness.

Sad times.

So anyway, 80.2kg this morning, although off out for a Nandos tonight. Then one more day of dieting til dat der Steedie is up and we demolish a truck load of fajitas.
 
:D @ Steedie.

Can't see pics at work - but I was trying to remember them. I'm not saying there isn't an issue, I'm just saying you have 2 choices. Either dig deep (which clearly you can't as the issue is too insurmountable for you to be able to do that) or save up and get it sorted if the appeal doesn't work. :)

Or, try and have hypnotherapy to help reduce your narcissism :)
 
Freefaller said:
The thing is, even though we can't really (well I can't :o) see the big issue, it's clearly a problem for you. You are vain (I don't mean that in a detrimental fashion) and as such it will affect you more than most. I'd dread to think how you'd be if you had my body hair and lack of head hair!! :p
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Shave one, stick it on the other...

Problem solved?

kd
 
Freefaller said:
:D @ Steedie.

Can't see pics at work - but I was trying to remember them. I'm not saying there isn't an issue, I'm just saying you have 2 choices. Either dig deep (which clearly you can't as the issue is too insurmountable for you to be able to do that) or save up and get it sorted if the appeal doesn't work. :)
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RE: Digging deep makes it sound like I'm struggling with this on a day to day basis. It's a physical flaw that my body has, and damned right I want to remove it if I can. Simply ignoring it is a ridiculous thing to do as it simply won't go away, and will never look normal.

Or, try and have hypnotherapy to help reduce your narcissism :)
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Not sure if serious or not..... You do realise Narcissism is an excessive love for yourself don't you? Bordering on selfish obsession? Be leaf me, that is not the case with me. I'm far from a conventionally good looking guy, have more physical flaws than I could shake a stick at - I simply do the best I can to hide these traits. Having wobbly bitch ***s when I have an otherwise reasonably defined body is not something I'm comfortable with and not something I should have to convince myself to deal with.
 
I'm sorry you feel you have all these issues :(

I know what narcissism is mate - it wasn't really a serious suggestion, but it could certainly to help minimise the impact of your self loathing it would help - it doesn't mean you have to not remove the physical flaw with yourself though, it might just make you less harsh on yourself? Ok, narcissism was possibly the wrong term, body-dismorphia is probably more accurate, but a lot of people suffer from that. I used to, especially at your age, I'd never take my top off in public, so I know how you feel about that - and can't 100% sympathise - as you know from our chats i once came close to going down a dark path for enhancing my body image - but then I realised it was absolutely ridiculous.

I'm not saying there isn't an issue, I'm just trying to offer a dispassionate/objective outlook as to what I read and what I (think) I know about you. What I'm saying is, don't let it get you down, try and carry on with your life, you've got a girl that thinks you're fab, your training is going well, and you're a good bloke :) Don't let it destroy your life - let it get sorted, but don't obsess over it... that's all I'm saying.

I'm not poo-pooing your condition or the way it affects you, and if you thought that I do apologise. :)
 
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Actually. Wait a second. Did we ever get a video of you having your chest waxed!?

kd
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No the upload didn't work - still have the videos, but it's really not exciting, I pretty much don't react throughout.

Never doing it again, though, as it looked ridiculous, and I don't mind body hair, it's just a sign of my alpha superiority - anyway this thread is about Wills not me. :)
 
That's cool mate, bad day me-thinks.

By no means am I going to obsess over this, just obviously the discussion of the day. Back to training on Thursday, rest of the month is going to be spent in a slight calorie deficit just to keep the effects of xmas at bay, then formulate a plan!
 
Freefaller said:
No the upload didn't work - still have the videos, but it's really not exciting, I pretty much don't react throughout.

Never doing it again, though, as it looked ridiculous, and I don't mind body hair, it's just a sign of my alpha superiority - anyway this thread is about Wills not me. :)
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Shame :( I have odd lots of nipple hair, and seem to starting to be getting chest hair, I feel I'll be stuck with your chest hair curse too one day. So long as I don't get back hair, I won't mind too much :p

But yes, this thread is about Wills.

You could get a tube top... Show off the abs, hide the pecs?

No, seriously, looking at the pictures, the pecsarent awful (from an outside perspective), that said, having a rather large case of vanity myself, I can understand the issues you're having, and I suspect you probably notice it more being aware of it :s

kd
 
MoNkeE said:
That's cool mate, bad day me-thinks.

By no means am I going to obsess over this, just obviously the discussion of the day. Back to training on Thursday, rest of the month is going to be spent in a slight calorie deficit just to keep the effects of xmas at bay, then formulate a plan!
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No worries - it is clearly a big problem for you, and it's fresh / raw in your mind. :) You'll sort it. Hit the gym like a mother****er, show the iron who's boss, you'll feel better for it, and hope you get it sorted in the long term :)
 
King Damager said:
Shame :( I have odd lots of nipple hair, and seem to starting to be getting chest hair, I feel I'll be stuck with your chest hair curse too one day. So long as I don't get back hair, I won't mind too much :p

But yes, this thread is about Wills.

You could get a tube top... Show off the abs, hide the pecs?

No, seriously, looking at the pictures, the pecsarent awful (from an outside perspective), that said, having a rather large case of vanity myself, I can understand the issues you're having, and I suspect you probably notice it more being aware of it :s

kd
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You mean you're finally hitting puberty! ;)

Started shaving at 12, had full chest of hair by 16 :p

Now losing my hair - uber alpha male checking in ;)
 
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