Spec me a CCTV System

Hello guys, hope you can point me in the right direction as I'm getting confused by the huge amount of different model numbers Hikvision offer!

Looking for a CCTV system to upgrade our existing rubbish £200 ebay kit.

We need to have the following -

NVR (ideally to record atleast a month)
4 x Dome 2.8mm
4 x Bullet 4mm
Remote Viewing
POE
Audio recording not required

The cameras need to be reasonably good in the night so I'm thinking the EXIR type may be the better option?

If anyone has any suggestions on good models and where to buy from it would be much appreciated, seeing 20 model numbers of what essentially looks like the same thing confuses me!

Also I assume with an NVR you don't need to directly connect the camera to it, you can set the cameras IP within the NVR software?
 
I've just been given 4 cameras from an old CCTV setup of a friend ;) I have no idea what camera's they are but I need the video recorder box to plug them into :D

The cameras work great but the original box is damaged, It barely functions and switches off randomly :( So it needs replacing. The hard drive works though! Which is a bonus too.

What do you recommend, I don't want to be spending much :p Cheap as possible, It just needs to record with some basic playback functions!

I'll try and get some specification on the cameras when I can but for free they are great ;)
 
@MarkLP Just read the thread, it covers what you have asked including specific cameras, NVR's and methods of supplying power to the Hikvision cameras.
Suppliers such as Aliexpress are noted as well as UK based ones.
Tools such as bit rate calculators to determine storage needs and resolution, fps, bit rate etc etc had also been covered. A month is a long time with 24/7 recording and 8 cams. IMO you would have 24/7 recording with motion event tagging and at 1080p 15 to 20 FPS at around 5Mb/s for each camera that would eat into HD storage. Just ensure that the NVR can support two HD's and go for WD Purple as your preferred drive.
By reading the thread you will also see sample images as well as read how to connect the cameras directly to a POE powered NVR or a POE switch. If an NVR it would need to deliver around 50w in power to be safe with that many cameras you want and also support up to 50Mb/s recording rate for the bit rate you will need for those cams.
I generally prefer turret cams over bullets - more secure and EXIR type are indeed much better for low light recording. You must consider exterior lighting and perhaps additional IR lighting - noted in this thread.
Alternatives such as a Synology box is also noted but I have not used one.

Remote viewing is great with the Hikvision Android app, once you have port forwarded the necessary port within your router.

What I can't tell you is how the newer higher res cameras work with the newer NVR's which support H265 etc, in terms of their compatibility.

A did link a few posts of mine back a well rated and reliable seller from Aliexpress, worth checking out "Anna".

Here is their link....

http://www.aliexpress.com/store/1709868?spm=2114.10010108.0.83.7XTEko

Ms. Anna Wang

Live chat with them, about marking as a gift and a low value item etc.
 
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T1Cybernetic said:
There are no obvious stickers, markings or anything on the cameras or recorder box :( The picture is reasonably clear although it could be better.

Anyway, Pics. Not the best but that's all there is to show!

http://imgur.com/SjKYr50
http://imgur.com/JAZC5G2
http://imgur.com/jRPUkSE
http://imgur.com/cO78Mv5
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Analogue with BNC type connectors.

BUT I would not use BNC cable to run it to the needed Analogue CCTV Recorder I would use External grade CAT5E with Baluns with pigtail connectors to transmit the video signal over the Ethernet cable and also 2.1mm / 5.5mm 12v DC PSU with a four way pigtail lead to connect again via 12v male and female jack adaptors through the other wires in the Ethernet cable to supply the power to each cam. Make sure that the supply is good enough for all the cams.

That way if and when you upgrade to IP cameras you already have Ethernet cable in place rather than BNC.
 
Hi all,

Found this thread after doing some research (should have search first I guess) but it looks like want I was planning looks good but wouldn't mind an opinion please?

This is for at work in our warehouse just FYI. So I have seen this kit:

http://www.cctvkits.co.uk/hikvision-3mp-1536p-2-4-cam-kit-builder.html

With 4x EXIR bullet cameras (dome's will get very dirty I imagine and it's a bit damp too and have seen problems with misting?). Also upgrading to an 8 channel DVR for more cameras in the future and was going to get 3TB. Would this be enough? Was going to go for 6mm lens.

Questions also on the software. Does this kit come with software or would I need synology which you keep mentioning? Need to be able to view it remotely as the DVR will be set up in the warehouse with no screen so want to view it up in the office (different network) and also via iphone / android.

Cheers
 
I also have read this thread all through over the last week and I have one question - I am going to a CCTV shop not more that 40 miles from me to buy a Hikvision 7608 as I feel the price is right and I can take it back if needed -

I have decided to put NVR on desk with PC but I have no room for a monitor for it - My PC has two monitors - one connected with HDMI and other by DVI -

Now can I plug NVR by either HDMI or VGA to this second monitor and if so how can I switch from PC to NVR-- I prefer both monitors on while on PC - makes things easier .

By reading this thread and looking at youtube I have a decent idea of what I need to do - my only problem is I have a bungalow and need a camera for front door and back door - That will put them within easy reach of anyone. - There is no way I can get them higher unless on a pole - forget that. - the two gable ends will be fine for other two cameras.

Thanks
 
TripleT said:
Hi all,

Found this thread after doing some research (should have search first I guess) but it looks like want I was planning looks good but wouldn't mind an opinion please?

This is for at work in our warehouse just FYI. So I have seen this kit:

http://www.cctvkits.co.uk/hikvision-3mp-1536p-2-4-cam-kit-builder.html

With 4x EXIR bullet cameras (dome's will get very dirty I imagine and it's a bit damp too and have seen problems with misting?). Also upgrading to an 8 channel DVR for more cameras in the future and was going to get 3TB. Would this be enough? Was going to go for 6mm lens.

Questions also on the software. Does this kit come with software or would I need synology which you keep mentioning? Need to be able to view it remotely as the DVR will be set up in the warehouse with no screen so want to view it up in the office (different network) and also via iphone / android.

Cheers
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The 8 channel NVR is a good idea as it seems to allow up to 50Mb/s recording over the 8 cameras it supports. I use close to 40Mb/s when using 6 cameras, and that is with compromise as my NVR has a max of 40Mb/s.
Check that it allows POE across all 8 ports, mine only powers 4. Also each camera will use 6w of power at night, when IR is on, so for 8 cameras you will need close to 50w. Obviously that would not power a PTZ type camera.

I prefer the turret type camera over bullets or domes. There is a turret listed in the picture of the link you included. They give the impression of being less prone to vandalisation and I have found the packaged brackets of a bullet to be a little flimsy. I would not get domes, as you have noted, nor a camera with a ring of LED's.
As for a 6mm lens I would download the Hikvision Tools (linked in this thread or search) as they include lots of useful utilities. One of them being a lens selector to help you choose the lens suitable for your needs. 6mm more zoomed and less FOV than a 2.8 or 4.
Consider also additional lighting and additional IR lighting, no matter how good the EXIR cameras are additional lighting is most useful.
I record 6 cameras and have two WD Purple drives, one rests whilst the other records and then they are switched as one fills, there is a total of over 6TB and that lasts for around 21 days or so. Variables will influence that but download those tools, linked in this thread or search, and there are bitrate calculators etc to help you work that out.
Also there is a lens selector tool which has some use to help you decide on what lens to choose.
Software wise. The 4200 client is useful for Windows and the 4500 Hikvision client is good for Android. There is also the means of accessing the NVR via a browser, as well as each camera. iPhones are for girls so I can't help you there.
The software you download but I temporarily used an old VGA monitor to connect to the NVR to initially set it up, IP, Gateway etc etc etc.
 
DXP55 said:
I also have read this thread all through over the last week and I have one question - I am going to a CCTV shop not more that 40 miles from me to buy a Hikvision 7608 as I feel the price is right and I can take it back if needed -

I have decided to put NVR on desk with PC but I have no room for a monitor for it - My PC has two monitors - one connected with HDMI and other by DVI -

Now can I plug NVR by either HDMI or VGA to this second monitor and if so how can I switch from PC to NVR-- I prefer both monitors on while on PC - makes things easier .

By reading this thread and looking at youtube I have a decent idea of what I need to do - my only problem is I have a bungalow and need a camera for front door and back door - That will put them within easy reach of anyone. - There is no way I can get them higher unless on a pole - forget that. - the two gable ends will be fine for other two cameras.

Thanks
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I use the VGA output on my NVR, not bothered with its HDMI as the old monitor it is connected to only has VGA. I can imagine tha tyou would just switch inputs on your monitor to selct, for example, VGA if you use tha ton the NVR.
Most of my cameras could be reached, but they do tend to look at each other. There will always be a compromise on where you place them but surely it is more important to get a usable image than just capture male pattern baldness shots...?
 
Vimes said:
The 8 channel NVR is a good idea as it seems to allow up to 50Mb/s recording over the 8 cameras it supports. I use close to 40Mb/s when using 6 cameras, and that is with compromise as my NVR has a max of 40Mb/s.
Check that it allows POE across all 8 ports, mine only powers 4. Also each camera will use 6w of power at night, when IR is on, so for 8 cameras you will need close to 50w. Obviously that would not power a PTZ type camera.

I prefer the turret type camera over bullets or domes. There is a turret listed in the picture of the link you included. They give the impression of being less prone to vandalisation and I have found the packaged brackets of a bullet to be a little flimsy. I would not get domes, as you have noted, nor a camera with a ring of LED's.
As for a 6mm lens I would download the Hikvision Tools (linked in this thread or search) as they include lots of useful utilities. One of them being a lens selector to help you choose the lens suitable for your needs. 6mm more zoomed and less FOV than a 2.8 or 4.
Consider also additional lighting and additional IR lighting, no matter how good the EXIR cameras are additional lighting is most useful.
I record 6 cameras and have two WD Purple drives, one rests whilst the other records and then they are switched as one fills, there is a total of over 6TB and that lasts for around 21 days or so. Variables will influence that but download those tools, linked in this thread or search, and there are bitrate calculators etc to help you work that out.
Also there is a lens selector tool which has some use to help you decide on what lens to choose.
Software wise. The 4200 client is useful for Windows and the 4500 Hikvision client is good for Android. There is also the means of accessing the NVR via a browser, as well as each camera. iPhones are for girls so I can't help you there.
The software you download but I temporarily used an old VGA monitor to connect to the NVR to initially set it up, IP, Gateway etc etc etc.
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By turret do you mean the domes type 4 on that product? I may get a mixture as it depends where I'm mounting.

I'll do some measurements with regarding the which lens and use the chart as said.

Have you ever used a wifi extender with a camera? We've got another floor and rather running a cable up a stairwell it may be an option.

Cheers
 
TripleT said:
By turret do you mean the domes type 4 on that product? I may get a mixture as it depends where I'm mounting.

I'll do some measurements with regarding the which lens and use the chart as said.

Have you ever used a wifi extender with a camera? We've got another floor and rather running a cable up a stairwell it may be an option.

Cheers
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Yes type 4 :) I have five of those and they seem quite rugged and have been outside for some time now with zero issues. Compared to the bullet they do seem to be less vulnerable to being wrenched or pulled away etc - although you can set alerts of that. Still if in reach the bullets can be tilted etc and that will not trigger an alert.

I have not used a WiFi extender but remember you can view both the main and or the sub stream. You can record the main stream and view the sub stream over a data connection or perhaps a poor signal Wi-Fi. For a full decent HD recording it will be around 5Mb/s so you can see if you can sustain that transfer over your Wi-Fi, that is the main stream.

The sub stream is pretty low on its data demands...


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different to the main stream...


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TripleT said:
Hi all,
http://www.cctvkits.co.uk/hikvision-3mp-1536p-2-4-cam-kit-builder.html

With 4x EXIR bullet cameras (dome's will get very dirty I imagine and it's a bit damp too and have seen problems with misting?). Also upgrading to an 8 channel DVR for more cameras in the future and was going to get 3TB. Would this be enough? Was going to go for 6mm lens.

Questions also on the software. Does this kit come with software or would I need synology which you keep mentioning? Need to be able to view it remotely as the DVR will be set up in the warehouse with no screen so want to view it up in the office (different network) and also via iphone / android.

Cheers
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If you can go for the EXIR domes (2332) actually called turrets

You will not need any additional software apart from free stuff that you can download like SADP (that helps with setup)

I assume you have done the FOV calcs to arrive at a 6mm lens ?
 
Yer just been looking at the locations in the warehouse and probably will go for a coupe of 4mm lens and a couple of 2.8mm.

What cable do you recommend? I'm going to need around 150m plus so was maybe looking at getting a 305m reel.

Cheers
 
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