****Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Official Thread****

Mr Jack said:
The huge success of TLJ is surely justification enough. Huge box office sales, great reviews, and fabulous DVD/BluRay sales. On any sensible objective metric it was a huge success.

The only measure on which it wasn't is stroppy "fans".
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You are aware that there are some things that are basically "too big to fail", well, before they become failable that is. And Star Wars "was" one such example?

They could have given Star Wars to me, a nobody with no experience in filmmaking, I could have made a complete mess of it, but you know what? It would have still made huge box office sales, got great reviews, fabulous DVD/BluRay sales, etc, but it still would have been the same bad job. And the worst thing was, it will have turned off the main audience. So it wouldn't have mattered about how the box office success was, because the continuing franchise was dead.

And that is what some in here are making the point of. There was be a point where ANYTHING with the words Star Wars on it, it would automatically be a money maker. And then there's a point where it is now, where even if you slap on the words Star Wars on it and the interest is hardly there. Look a few years back, WHO would have bothered to open up ANYTHING against Star Wars other than small indie films that wasn't expecting much but good word of mouth anyway? Nobody, because everyone knew that they would get near zero of the film goers to see their stuff if it was released as the same time. Now? Jumanji, and many other big franchises are no longer afraid of this once behemoth that commanded the theaters during the Winter season. And are actively putting up their best against it because they've tasted the blood that is hemorrhaging from Star Wars once infailable armour now, and the sharks are now circling. And why do you think this was? After the much derided prequels I, II and III, and now fairly accepted VII? Star Wars was seen as unassailable or the bully everyone would rather stay away from when it came around. It's only because of VIII that this is now no longer the case, so obviously whatever box office success it had is more to do with its previous reputation and fans flocking to it without question. Now?

Well, now we'll see in two months time. I know I'm not going. And it's precisely because of VIII that I'm not going. And since Disney/Lucasfilm are hard of hearing and love to throw insults around instead of listening, then I'll make sure they listen through the only way they know how: Money. Or more specifically, not spending it on them or their products.
 
Just watched that final trailer. And..., well... The moment the Star Wars logo came back up I was actively clicking on the next item of interest that I could find. That's how much I wanted to re-watch the trailer, much less the film. I'm sure there'll be people who will enjoy it, but not for me confirmed. Trailer did nothing to change my mind.
 
I think after the disaster of the second trilogy, and the absolute annihilation of the franchise by the first two disney films, I'll wait for a 4k torrent

for me now, star wars started and ended with the originals

but.....mandalorian actually looks really good, so..
 
Best thing about the trailer is the music.

After the ****-show that was TLJ, I can't say I'm chomping at the bit for the release of this. I fear, once again, this will not be the telling of a classic, timeless story - as the originals were - but another lesson in gender politics from the Kathleen Kennedy school of feminism. I have no problem with strong female characters - Leia herself and Ripley from the Alien franchise are prime examples of such, without being Mary Sues. Wary of rumours, but the word on YouTube is that they have/are reshooting 75% of this film. As someone who has loved Star Wars since he was 7 years old, it gives me no enjoyment to say any of that whatsoever - it saddens me greatly.

And what are horses - or what look suspiciously like horses from one quick shot - doing in Star Wars? What next? Kylo ditches his mask for a bloody stetson?
 
Mr Jack said:
The huge success of TLJ is surely justification enough. Huge box office sales, great reviews, and fabulous DVD/BluRay sales. On any sensible objective metric it was a huge success.

The only measure on which it wasn't is stroppy "fans".
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I have yet to meet one single actual real star wars fan who enjoyed TLJ. Not one. To average member of public with no little to no knowledge of the star wars universe then yes it's a "fun" movie but to any fan... Stroppy or otherwise it is understandably despised.
 
TLJ was a good film as a standalone. It just did not fit the 35+ male population that had some form of stars original trilogy in their bones.

I was upset over how Luke was, I wanted him to kick a lot of sith butt and be all powerful ... But my daughter who loved it was all about Rey (the whole point) she did not care about Luke an old crusty. Just like when I was a kid I did not care about Obi as to me he was an old crusty :D

Gotta view them with different eyes now.
 
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