Surely this tells you it's more than just fat nerds getting picky about everything then, if even your friend who nerded out at anything Star Wars can't even be bothered to go and see it? That doesn't just happen because "He's not the target audience", it happens because this trilogy destroyed the entire essence of the series.
****Star Wars: Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - Official Thread****
I met my GF in 2010 and she'd never seen a SW movie.
I introduced her to them in the correct order (OT then Pre) and she was a new fan. We both took the day off to see TFA down at Southampton IMAX and enjoyed it a lot. The following year was the same routine for Rogue One. Then came TLJ....
She flat out refused to see Solo, as a result I never made it to the cinema to see as it was an "us" thing. Then I ended up seeing this alone and she just shrugged and asked me to spoil it for her and lolled. Even my non-geek, relatively new SW fan GF cba with it any more. Old fans are not the target despite the "fan service" - go see the Mandolorian for Star Wars that appeals to the veteran fan.
I introduced her to them in the correct order (OT then Pre) and she was a new fan. We both took the day off to see TFA down at Southampton IMAX and enjoyed it a lot. The following year was the same routine for Rogue One. Then came TLJ....
She flat out refused to see Solo, as a result I never made it to the cinema to see as it was an "us" thing. Then I ended up seeing this alone and she just shrugged and asked me to spoil it for her and lolled. Even my non-geek, relatively new SW fan GF cba with it any more. Old fans are not the target despite the "fan service" - go see the Mandolorian for Star Wars that appeals to the veteran fan.
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Well your friend with his unusual stoicism and passiveness in his Star Wars obsession is unfortunately very unique example. I've spent most of my life beside, along and among Star Wars nutters and not once have I encountered one that wasn't a bit of a loud, sarcastic, nerdy opinionated smart a-s and to be honest that's what I love about them and that's why I hang out with them. And when we discuss the original trilogy against the new Disney malarky, we are fully aware that OT had problems. But if you consider Luke's ingenious plan in Return of The Jedi was absolutely retarded piece of screen writing, then 90% of visually stunning, superbly animated on screen vomit that we encounter in TROS must be coming from sort of AI online plot generator.
Summarise any part of the story to yourself as if you re-telling this story:
Our heroes need to find a bad guy. To find him they need a thingy. How do we know they need a thingy? We don't know it's probably a known thing. So they go to the first planet that pops to their mind, to find anything related to the thing and right next to the parking lot they fall through a thing, and under that thing, right there, in exactly that spot somehow is another thing that can be used to find the thing that was needed to find the guy. It's not the thing that they were looking for in a first place but somehow this thing will do. No further search required. How does that work? Who left the thing that helps to find the thing that helps to find the guy? Well, just go with it. Oh and by the way - that spot, next to the parking lot, on a random planet is conveniently related to another thing - it's a thing from Rey's past thing. Cause these things are totally happening now. So they take that thing that helps to find the other thing (that helps to find the guy) to another planet, for no reason whatsoever. Randomly land somewhere, and in the very first place they walk to, against hundreds of thousands of miles of the coast they discover that the thing they found turns out to be an outline of the thing marking the exact spot where that other thing (that helps to find the guy) is located. And in case you were confused everywhere they go the other bad boss pops out to have a ziggiddy zappy duel and see if he can maybe not lose this afternoon even if he lost that very morning, and maybe win a kiss? Because... things. Every part of the plot in TROS is of exactly that quality. Like a computer game with badly lined up missions.
We are grown ups SexyGreyFox, we don't have to be nice to Disney. If you bought album of a legendary band and it had rich arrangements and was solidly produced but the music was turdy, solos were sloppy and below par with lyrics that mostly go "la la la, ow ow, na na" - you wouldn't try to dress it up to your friends by the pint of beer and come up with excuses that "this was what the band wanted to convey to us, this is their magnum opus commentary on blandness and mehness of modern society" - you know ****show when you encounter one. This is just the same.
We elevated this franchise to what it is now, we kept the flame going. We only get those course corrections in the lore every 20 years and many of us might not live long enough to see another one. It was a hobby, a fandom, it consumed chunk of our lives. And what we got was a good start, then Ryan Johnson masturbating all over the lore and destroying all the setup, then a pretty movie with **** script. It's a **** ending to **** trilogy and what's worse - it urinates and tramples over the legacy original trilogy. If OT was "Ride The Lightening", "Master of Puppets" and "Justice For All" - this trilogy is "Reload", "St. Anger" and then "Lulu". You might say "but I don't mind St. Anger and I often find myself reflecting on the meaning of 'I'm a chair, I'm a table' lyrics of Lulu" but deep inside you know - we forking deserved better.
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Agreed.
Surely....
A New Hope - Ride the Lightning
Empire Strikes Back - AJFA
Return of the Jedi - TBA
Phantom Menace - Load
Attack of the Clones - Reload
Revenge of the Sith - Death Magnetic
Force Awakens - HWTSD
TLJ - St. Anger
Rise of Skywalker - Live **** - Binge and Purge (or something....)
Edit - for what it's worth, I liked TLJ and really liked ROS.
Personal ranking from favourite to least favourite:
Empire Strikes Back
Rise of Skywalker (albeit watched once)
A New Hope / Return of the Jedi / The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Solo / Rogue One / Force Awakens
Phantom Menace / Attack of the Clones
A New Hope - Ride the Lightning
Empire Strikes Back - AJFA
Return of the Jedi - TBA
Phantom Menace - Load
Attack of the Clones - Reload
Revenge of the Sith - Death Magnetic
Force Awakens - HWTSD
TLJ - St. Anger
Rise of Skywalker - Live **** - Binge and Purge (or something....)
Edit - for what it's worth, I liked TLJ and really liked ROS.
Personal ranking from favourite to least favourite:
Empire Strikes Back
Rise of Skywalker (albeit watched once)
A New Hope / Return of the Jedi / The Last Jedi
Revenge of the Sith
Solo / Rogue One / Force Awakens
Phantom Menace / Attack of the Clones
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those who have 4k, amazon seam to be the only ones with the 4k version of the complete skywalker saga boxset that has all 9 movies in it.
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Brilliant, I appreciate all that just for me
Ooh you sweet talker, you know how to get to me.
What about KEA?
@SexyGreyFox I never really got on with KEA..... Solo can be KEA. Alright. But no desire to watch it again.
Solo was actually alright in insolation (save for L3). But people were just fatigued and didn't want it.
Solo was actually alright in insolation (save for L3). But people were just fatigued and didn't want it.
Saw it what a load of rubbish not as bad as TLJ but not far off
Lol mate Rise of Skywalker better than A New hope and Return of the Jedi go lie down mate.
I am lying down right now
A New Hope is just a bit boring now. I’ve seen it a zillion times. There is little nostalgia in it for me.
Return of the Jedi was my favourite as a kid but I’m really disappointed with each rewatch. The first half with the Jabba stuff is pretty dull and slow and the latter half with the Ewoks is just too silly and twee. The whole ‘face off with the emperor’ section is exciting but it can’t carry the whole film.
ESB is the only ‘truly great’ film, with the caveat that I really, really enjoyed Rise of Skywalker and I need to digest and rewatch etc before I can decide where that really sits in my rankings. I really did think it was pretty awesome, so I’m going to stick my neck out and say what I think. Come at me bros
Well that's a shame, I feel bad for you that you weren't able to enjoy the movies at all... but you clearly didn't go into the cinema with an open mind for this one - you even say in the same post that TLJ was utter trash, the trilogy was appalling, they destroyed your childhood hero etc. I think if I had gone into the cinema carrying all those feelings about it already I wouldn't have enjoyed it either...
It's just disappointing to see... as with many people who would claim to be such super fans and love Star Wars so much they've all done themselves no favours by just seething with rage over every tiny thing that didn't precisely meet their expectations; then having all that amplified 1000x over by all the other bitter, dejected "true fans" online in their echo chambers... I hit up an old friend of mine who would always nerd out about Star Wars with me this morning to ask if he'd seen it "No not yet don't think I'm going to bother everyone I've spoken to who saw it so far says it's just loads of twists for no reason with no story or anything good in it at all"- no desire to even bother making his own mind up... sad really
I did go into it with a completely open mind as it has a different director to TLJ.
I found it impossible to switch off and just enjoy TROS as it was that bad.
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And that's a real shame is all I'm saying, seems a lot of people are going to miss out on enjoying some more Star Wars
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The film was OK for me, with some obvious problems.
However, my nine year daughter absolutely loved it and that puts my issues into perspective. Maybe I do take it all too seriously and forget that they are really just kids films, just like it was for me in 78.
However, my nine year daughter absolutely loved it and that puts my issues into perspective. Maybe I do take it all too seriously and forget that they are really just kids films, just like it was for me in 78.
If Disney gave them a reason to care at all what happened to these characters they'd go and see it. Disney failed, stop trying to blame the audience for not being open minded.
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yep, agreed
people are thinking, you really shouldn’t think at all. Just enjoy the ride
Saw this today, still not sure how I feel about it!
On the one hand it felt pretty emotional in parts (yes I’m soft, but being old-ish the originals were a massive part of my younger childhood).
But on the other hand, none of that was directed towards any of the ‘new’ characters of which I didn’t really care about in this one for some reason.
On the one hand it felt pretty emotional in parts (yes I’m soft, but being old-ish the originals were a massive part of my younger childhood).
But on the other hand, none of that was directed towards any of the ‘new’ characters of which I didn’t really care about in this one for some reason.
It was the result of the welding. Maybe ‘sith welding’ or whatever. Who knows.