Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

My point was never anything to do with instant gratification etc etc.

Just that, objectively, all Star Wars films are a bit **** so I take the view of just enjoying them for what they are and not getting too caught up in it.
 
No1newts said:
My point was never anything to do with instant gratification etc etc.

Just that, objectively, all Star Wars films are a bit **** so I take the view of just enjoying them for what they are and not getting too caught up in it.
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The new ones are a bit **** ;)

Growing up as a kid and loving the originals has probably ruined the new ones for me.

Modern audiences seem to like them though....
 
Thursday 9pm showing for me :)

Seeing it at a 4dx cinema and cannot wait. Didn't think 4dx would be that good, but after seeing the second Kingsman in 4dx it got me hooked, as the car chase bit was amazing! Really hoping for some good flying parts in Star Wars.
 
Scrutinize said:
If you watch the originals in a stand alone mindset, they are just as weak, if not weaker.

However, they as films and characters have benefited from decades of lore and character development; so when we re acquaint ourselves with the originals we have a monumental volume of literature and visual stories to accompany the viewing and fill in the gaps.

This is the same for many 70s/80s/90s sci-fi.
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This

No1newts said:
I think that’s a bit rose tinted. I enjoy, but don’t love, the Star Wars franchise but looking at them objectively they are terrible films with terrible characters.

If you switch off your brain you can really get into them but all of them, especially the originals, are cheesy and contrived.
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and this!!

I can't count how many time I've tried to reason with people who eulogise over the original trilogy and how much better it is and that everything that has come since is mark on it's good name, that in fact they are actually quite poorly written, disjointed and terribly acted, what's important about them is so much down to our age at the time of seeing them, the rich Universe they created and hinted at and creativity they have spawned since.

To qualify the above statement, I totally and completely love Star Wars, the films, the Animation spin offs, the Novels, the Canon universe and the Legends universe, my house is somewhat of a shrine to it with the amount of objet d'art that fills it and I don't need an excuse to watch the films (and in the corrected altered Machete order Rogue, IV, V, II, III, VI, VII, I only ever watch Phantom stand alone as it adds very little to the story progression ;)). I'm also member of UK Garrison, 501st Legion. In short Star Wars means a heck of a lot to me but I am old enough and wise enough to be realistic about those original three films and not be melodramatic about how they are somehow tarnished by each new addition to the Universe, for me, generally each new addition just adds to the richness.

Anyway, it's lunchtime so I'm off to read a few more pages of Canto Bight the most recent Star Wars novel released last week :p :D
 
No1newts said:
My point was never anything to do with instant gratification etc etc.

Just that, objectively, all Star Wars films are a bit **** so I take the view of just enjoying them for what they are and not getting too caught up in it.
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i disagree with that - i think the opposite. Objectively they are excellent films (jedi not as much) and thats why they are still loved today when a great many other films of the same type were consigned to the history dustbin.
 
Scrutinize said:
If you watch the originals in a stand alone mindset, they are just as weak, if not weaker.

However, they as films and characters have benefited from decades of lore and character development; so when we re acquaint ourselves with the originals we have a monumental volume of literature and visual stories to accompany the viewing and fill in the gaps.

This is the same for many 70s/80s/90s sci-fi.
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Rubbish, they still stand up amazingly, time hasn't significantly changed their impact or relevance and I would say that every single Star Wars that has followed has lacked the magic that the OT had. I would go as far as to say none of them have even come close, which is probably why they are still trying to futilely copy the same formulas without success (Force Awakens being a laughable example).

The original trilogy worked on pretty much every single level I can think of, and any weaknesses in acting or dialogue were completely smoothed over by the on-screen chemistry and charisma of the cast. The original puppetry still feels more real than CGI, and they had a dark, gritty, realistic and yet beautifully understated feel that no sequels have ever replicated, and everything was just shot and written in such a seamless way as to make them feel like one single extended movie. Every single actor put their all into their characters, and it had an emotion, gravitas and intensity that is rare in movies of this genre.

All of the heavens aligned for those three movies, and to expect anything to ever recapture them in the same way is an exercise in folly. It's simply not going to happen. Ever.
 
Richdog said:
Rubbish, they still stand up amazingly, time hasn't significantly changed their impact or relevance and I would say that every single Star Wars that has followed has lacked the magic that the OT had. I would go as far as to say none of them have even come close, which is probably why they are still trying to futilely copy the same formulas without success (Force Awakens being a laughable example).

The original trilogy worked on pretty much every single level I can think of, and any weaknesses in acting or dialogue were completely smoothed over by the on-screen chemistry and charisma of the cast. The original puppetry still feels more real than CGI, and they had a dark, gritty, realistic and yet beautifully understated feel that no sequels have ever replicated, and everything was just shot and written in such a seamless way as to make them feel like one single extended movie. Every single actor put their all into their characters, and it had an emotion, gravitas and intensity that is rare in movies of this genre.

All of the heavens aligned for those three movies, and to expect anything to ever recapture them in the same way is an exercise in folly. It's simply not going to happen. Ever.
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Exactly this!

What I was trying to say myself, you just said it better :p
 
Yet ask (almost) anyone of a younger generation and they mostly dislike/only find tolerable the older ones and prefer 2 & 3 (no one likes 1 :D) with rogue one being liked even more and TFA generally being well received.

They hold up well for those who have the emotional investment but not really others.

An example of a film that holds up well could be Predator or T2. I know people of younger generations who love those films but the older Star Wars rarely get similar love.
 
No1newts said:
Yet ask (almost) anyone of a younger generation and they mostly dislike/only find tolerable the older ones and prefer 2 & 3 (no one likes 1 :D) with rogue one being liked even more and TFA generally being well received.

They hold up well for those who have the emotional investment but not really others.

An example of a film that holds up well could be Predator or T2. I know people of younger generations who love those films but the older Star Wars rarely get similar love.
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That's because the younger generation have been brought up on CGI guff like transformers ;)
 
Give it a rest, you must agree with me or your opinion matters less is the oldest play in the book! :D

I’m an older generation who likes every film (apart from 1) but I don’t really love any of them as the flaws irritate me too much. That being said I will always sit and enjoy as I intend to do tonight.

I’m guessing we won’t agree at any point so let’s let it go :) hopefully you will enjoy the new one (hopefully I will as well! :p)
 
For me the OT, particularly Empire and Jedi have moments when the dialogue, delivery, sound effects and music just came together to give us perfect scenes and the new films have lacked that so far. There are so many little bits like when they are trying to get to the falcon on Hoth and then it doesn’t start, the bit when they are getting to the falcon on cloud city and R2 opens the door, the Yoda scenes are full of emotion, the throne room with the emperor in Jedi. You can just go on and on.

On force awakens when they leave Jakku on the falcon and they are doing silly stunts and the falcon engine noise doesn’t sound quite as powerful as it did on Empire just left me cold. It could have been such an awesome scene and it wasn’t.

It’s the same for me with Wrath of Khan, so many great scenes that Into Darkness just didn’t have. The emotion when Spock was dying was just great and the end when Kirk is reflecting on life and his friend, you just don’t get that level anymore.
 
Feel free to shoot me but 1 had some really great scenes and some of the best music in the whole franchise. By that I am specifically referring to the final showdown between Darth Maul, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. It wasn't all bad and I still enjoyed it for what it was but it fell short compared to the others in the franchise.

Back to topic: nipping out at lunch tomorrow to go see this in IMAX.

Never seen anything in IMAX before so it will be an interesting experience.

I'll probably go watch it in normal 2D in a week or so once things have calmed down a bit, assuming its decent that it!
 
Spit said:
For me the OT, particularly Empire and Jedi have moments when the dialogue, delivery, sound effects and music just came together to give us perfect scenes and the new films have lacked that so far. There are so many little bits like when they are trying to get to the falcon on Hoth and then it doesn’t start, the bit when they are getting to the falcon on cloud city and R2 opens the door, the Yoda scenes are full of emotion, the throne room with the emperor in Jedi. You can just go on and on.

On force awakens when they leave Jakku on the falcon and they are doing silly stunts and the falcon engine noise doesn’t sound quite as powerful as it did on Empire just left me cold. It could have been such an awesome scene and it wasn’t.

It’s the same for me with Wrath of Khan, so many great scenes that Into Darkness just didn’t have. The emotion when Spock was dying was just great and the end when Kirk is reflecting on life and his friend, you just don’t get that level anymore.
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Yep, you get it :)
 
No1newts said:
Yet ask (almost) anyone of a younger generation and they mostly dislike/only find tolerable the older ones and prefer 2 & 3 (no one likes 1 :D) with rogue one being liked even more and TFA generally being well received.

They hold up well for those who have the emotional investment but not really others.

An example of a film that holds up well could be Predator or T2. I know people of younger generations who love those films but the older Star Wars rarely get similar love.
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Not true at all, I know tons of young'uns who like the OT. It's all down to how they are introduce them to it, and any responsible parent would not let their kids watch any other new Star Wars movie until the OT was burned into their brain as they were growing up, certainly not the dire pieces of crud that are episode I & II!
 
Star Wars snobs.

Oh look Empire the master piece of writing. Lets attack an AT AT that can only fire forwards in a 30 degree arc head on. Or the utterly retarded sequence to get Luke in carbonite after he lands on a cloud city and is trapped by an imperial garrison that already holds his friends. Lets navigate him through a load of rooms to a carbon freezing chamber. I loved them all but as I have grown up I now realise the originals are as poorly written an acted as the prequels, I just didn't care because like my son now, I was 8 and Luke was a god, not a whiney little *****.
 
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