Soldato
The reason I feel the originals look better than the new ones is that everything was done with models. Things looked real because they were.
Now it just looks like an elaborate computer game.
Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]
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The reason I feel the originals look better than the new ones is that everything was done with models. Things looked real because they were.
Now it just looks like an elaborate computer game.
Soldato
Off to see this at 1pm - I was all aboard the hype train for Ep7 and really loved it the first time I saw it (despite recognising how flawed it was) but I've been a bit "meh" about the build up to this one, maybe because there's now a new Star Wars every year so it's not as "OMG, A new Star Wars is out!!!!!!" but I'll pop a review up when I get back.
Caporegime
Booked for tomorrow.
Going to the skanky odeon in WSM as the new showcase isnt ready yet.
Going to the skanky odeon in WSM as the new showcase isnt ready yet.
Absolutely this. With models and miniatures you still have real light, shadows and textures that move and react in a very real way.
With a few rare exceptions CGI always look fake to me. Added to the fact that the ability to literally do or show anything seems to give directors carte blanche to throw up as much crap and splosions on the screen as possible, it really ruins an action scene.
Soldato
Exactly right.
And not only is it the way things look, it's the way they move too.
CGI objects just don't move like real objects. They just don't realistically show inertia or any real weight.
Add to that how clean and shiny everything looks. Everything in the originals looked grimy, battered and used. They actually looked like they had seen action.
It all just looks so fake now. They no longer have any soul.
A lot of people, especially the newer generation just don't seem to understand this
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With so many years to come up with a fantastic script and ensure the visuals and continuity was spot on. The fact that they could have had the pick of anyone who holds the OT sacred working on this. I was absolutely amazed at the direction that was taken in the Force Awakens.
You only get one shot at bringing these characters together again on screen and they blew it.
It is hilarious listening to Mark Hamill discussing the new films, he clearly thinks they have made poor choices and takes every opportunity to hint at it.
Abrams was the worst thing to happen to Star Wars since Lucas decided to direct the prequels. Everyone holds Empire as the highlight, why is more notice not taken as to why that might be.
Caporegime
I dunno....I agree with both sides of the camp but there has been some great CGI in starwars.
The battle over corusant is one of my fav openings.
I'm assuming rogue one was all cgi,? No complaints there too.
The battle over corusant is one of my fav openings.
I'm assuming rogue one was all cgi,? No complaints there too.
There is usually no tension in CGI action scenes because tension is about what you don't see as much as what you do. When you can have continuous tracking shots of Rey flying the falcon doing over the top twists and turns you feel absolutely no peril for the characters and it just makes me yawn.
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I think quite a lot of it was. Some of it looks great like the landscapes, cities, scenery and space battles. But when you've got living creatures portrayed in CGI, particularly the awful Tarkin and Leia puppets, and especially when next to real people; nope.
It helps a great deal when the scenes are blocked as if they are being shot with a real camera. All the speeding around and twisting and turning in totally unnatural camera motions just feels completely at odds with a conventionally shot scene.
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Well, just got in from watching it and it's now usurped Rogue One as my favorite Star Wars film.
Astonishing film.
Astonishing film.
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Well got back, and how can I some up my feelings, "meh" probably best atm.
For one thing, it goes on for way to long (started to feel numb bum towards the end, usually a sign for me)
Ill need a second viewing, but it just didn't feel like a Star Wars film to me, but I cant put a finger on why.
Adam Driver was excellent though.
For one thing, it goes on for way to long (started to feel numb bum towards the end, usually a sign for me)
What was the point to Finns story-line? all seemed completely pointless.
Didn't feel the new characters brought anything to the film.
Ok, so how did Del Toro character know about the rebels base etc?
I didn't feel Rey got enough screen time in moving her character forward.
What was the point to Snoke & Phasma etc
Why didn't the person who took over from Leia just tell Poe the plan? would have saved a lot of trouble.
Too much humour. Broke up any atmosphere of serious scenes. for instance when Luke was getting pelted, would have preferred when he emerged to do something other than clean his shoulder.
Didn't feel the new characters brought anything to the film.
Ok, so how did Del Toro character know about the rebels base etc?
I didn't feel Rey got enough screen time in moving her character forward.
What was the point to Snoke & Phasma etc
Why didn't the person who took over from Leia just tell Poe the plan? would have saved a lot of trouble.
Too much humour. Broke up any atmosphere of serious scenes. for instance when Luke was getting pelted, would have preferred when he emerged to do something other than clean his shoulder.
Ill need a second viewing, but it just didn't feel like a Star Wars film to me, but I cant put a finger on why.
Adam Driver was excellent though.
Soldato
If there is one thing that TLJ kept cramming in it's "forget about plot holes" and "forget about OT mythos" - it's literally everywhere, it's spoken directly several times, they spawned every old character they could to tell you "let bygones be bygones, stop judging us for OT continuity". In the process they wrecked even more of the OT mythos,
but the purpose is essentially to take Star Wars to the current OCD levels of cinematic superheroism. Instead of slow character building, we are going to embark on a mission of visually stunning wreckage and whacking some **** in as many locations as possible. Throughout the whole of TLJ they repeatedly demand from you (in literal lines of dialogue in the script) to stop asking how Rey is so powerful and what lineage she comes from to be so powerful and where her Mary Jane-ism stems from. And they surround you with all those miracle one-lucky-shot happenstances from all directions to cram down the idea - in this SW universe everyone gets magical powers - every janitor, mechanic, scrap drifter and escape pod parking lot attendant can be brilliant pilot and perfect shot and martial marts olympian at first try.
My trouble is that instead of creating their own mythos to explain it all, all they have is "JUST GO WITH IT". Well, ef you Disney, your ideas are mostly carpet toy soldier play level redinkidinkulous - I'm not gonna.
(for example we now know that dead force users can have an effect on real world here and now (Yoda's thunders), so them not helping in previous duels with Vader was just mean and petty to Luke. We also discover that Force users, even lesser ones, can revive themselves from near absolute zero temperatures in space, don't you know).
My trouble is that instead of creating their own mythos to explain it all, all they have is "JUST GO WITH IT". Well, ef you Disney, your ideas are mostly carpet toy soldier play level redinkidinkulous - I'm not gonna.
Soldato
You’ve nailed all the same issues I have with the film.
And this is the trouble. My son loves the prequels, he's 8. He likes the originals but TFA and Rogue one he enjoyed but not once has he asked to watch them again. I cannot blame Disney for trying to hook in the next generation of kids as Lucas did with the prequels but Disney have failed. There's no one of real interest, even though the prequels are quite unloved, they had the characters kids loved. Anakin, Maul, Dooku, Jango and even Grevious. These have next to nothing for kids. Lucas did the Clone War series well, generated a load of charcaters my son loves and buys toys/lego of. He's not been interested in one bit of TFA or Rogue one merchandise and returns to the old stuff every time. Even the awful rebels did it better.
Soldato
how fast Ret progresses being explained away as “there has to be force balanxenso it’s inevitable” was really ******* irritating
On a slightly positive note to keep this balanced one thing I loved;
i loved how they captured the Ben Solo/Luke relationship and basically Ben wasn’t (at the time) evil and nor was Luke. They both just made a horrible mess and are now suffering the consequences.
I thought that was really well captured and quite emotional
I thought that was really well captured and quite emotional
but the purpose is essentially to take Star Wars to the current OCD levels of cinematic superheroism. Instead of slow character building, we are going to embark on a mission of visually stunning wreckage and whacking some **** in as many locations as possible. Throughout the whole of TLJ they repeatedly demand from you (in literal lines of dialogue in the script) to stop asking how Rey is so powerful and what lineage she comes from to be so powerful and where her Mary Jane-ism stems from. And they surround you with all those miracle one-lucky-shot happenstances from all directions to cram down the idea - in this SW universe everyone gets magical powers - every janitor, mechanic, scrap drifter and escape pod parking lot attendant can be brilliant pilot and perfect shot and martial marts olympian at first try.
My trouble is that instead of creating their own mythos to explain it all, all they have is "JUST GO WITH IT". Well, ef you Disney, your ideas are mostly carpet toy soldier play level redinkidinkulous - I'm not gonna.
After TFA I said to my friends these are going to be Marvel films now and not Star Wars films. You are spot on, the moment that I saw Kylo Ren stop the blaster shot in mid air in the opening of TFA I knew it was game over. Vader palmed away Solo's blaster shots in what has to be one of my favourite moments in SW. Everything about that scene and the way it is edited is pure class.
Now instead of subtlety everything has to be and turned up to 11. That works with super heroes, I like the Marvel films. But Star wars was always about the journey. Luke is in a struggle that plays out over 3 films. Rey and Kylo are already more powerful than anything before them for no good reason then they can't be bothered to hold things back and develop a good story.
Soldato
I agree, they are more marvel style superhero films now. It's hardly surprising seeing how popular they are currently.
Not my bag at all though
Soldato
It's an ongoing story arc, so you really need to have seen TFA.
I think the reviews are artificially good due to hype at the moment.
I definitely will see it at some point, but I'm loathe to spend £20 doing it on what is just two and a half hours of empty superficial entertainment.
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My problem with TFA was simply it was reboot/remake of ANH. After all the time they had, they just cloned it and was a let down. Was a good SW film though.