Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

I've just come back from seeing it. Same as a few others, I don't know what to think.

The opening sequence.. I thought I was watching Spaceballs 2, it was sort of funny, in an MTV awards skit sort of way, but I don't think that has a place in a SW movie.
 
I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape with not knowing peoples back story. At the end of ROTJ, did you know Palpatines back story, how he got so powerful, where he came from?

People just want to know everything these days. I said a few days ago if the film was good in it's own right you don't need to know these things. There was so much in the Original Trilogy that wasn't wrapped up and was left to us.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I don't know why people are getting bent out of shape with not knowing peoples back story. At the end of ROTJ, did you know Palpatines back story, how he got so powerful, where he came from?

People just want to know everything these days. I said a few days ago if the film was good in it's own right you don't need to know these things. There was so much in the Original Trilogy that wasn't wrapped up and was left to us.
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Yup, the original trilogy backstory is probably 99% retconned.
 
Probably going against the grain but thought it was an appalling inchoherent mess. Obviously I'm not the target audience easily distracted by the shinies. And seriously that intential humour, it was like carry on nazi meets cgi fraggle rock. Asked the boy after and he said it was good but not as good as the phantom menace which says it all...
 
Came back from work, still can't shake off the weirdness of this movie. Thoughts:

Redundancy of characters:
- Chewbacca - still apparently cold blooded a-hole. In TFA he gives Leia cold shoulder after Hans death. In this one he lands on Selkrik, doesn't go to meet his old friend until Rey asks him to kick Luke's door in a few days later. WTF is going on.
- Supreme Leader Smeagle Snookie - pointless, aimless, unexplained, "fans didn't like him, let's kill him off" botch job. Really nicely arranged, including "strike the pose" vogue aesthetics of Pretorian Guards, but WTF man?
- Phasma is the new Boba Fett, underused, fan serviced onto the screen, killed off too stupidly and hastily.
- There is clearly no purpose to R2D2 among The Resistance. No wonder he's in power saving mode.

Overload of perils:
- At some point in the movie you realise every single lead and main supporting character was already at peril, saved by luck or mcguffin throughout the movie. Those that should have survived - Phasma, Luke, Snoke - all died. Those that we expected to die or stay in peril as a cliffhanger - Leia, Finn, Rose - survived.

Canon breaking stuff introduced for no reason other than lazy writing:
- Force users not only can sense each other (we knew that) but can be linked for videoconference by third parties. Wow, how did they not use that throughout the history of Jedi/Sith struggle is just beyond me... And the lols of tech details to cover potential plot holes "I can only see your face, can't see your surroundings". That's some Facetime... Introduced only to create shortcut for Rey to face Kylo.
- Force users can have an effect on real world from beyond the grave (Yoda's thunders). WTF wasn't Luke backed up by those dead Jedi a-holes during his struggles with Vader, do you know how many lives and planets could be saved if the intergalactic war ended in TESB? Jedi are truly a bunch of mean a-holes. All for few seconds of visual candy.
- Force users can manifest remotely (at a great cost to their biological power if done alone). If only Jedi Council knew that... And how would Luke know where and when to manifest himself in the entirety of the universe? Nevermind...
- Even minor, untrained force users can return themselves from death and limitations of space physics (Leia's revival). Yup. Someone should check if Palpatine is really dead. And this was done for ef knows what. She could have survived bridge attack by simply going to the proverbial toilet (you know, anywhere else on the ship for whatever else reason during the attack), but instead she had to go through George Clooney's role in "Gravity" and all the associated weirdness of her frozen body knocking on air lock from the outside and all. Wow. Such an odd idea.
- Rey was born as the most powerful intuitive Force wielder in the known universe only accidentally, due to imbalance of the Force. So, in the end, it's not about training, lineage or midichlorians. It's about numbers. Complication? Every time Jedi kills a Sith, more powerful intuitive evil Force user is born. And vice versa.

"Go with it" mcguffins:
- The First Order was organised by Supreme Leader Snoke in the outer rim from the ruins of Imperial arsenal traded as "Lord of War" style piles of junk. Unlike Empire though, to maintain its warmongering adventures, First Order is apparently financially independent as it doesn't come from the wealth and resources of The Old Republic turning into Galactic Empire, it comes from... oh.. that's right... who exactly pays for all this nice, shiny single use planet sized weaponry and dreadnought ships? We've just seen a destruction of one of their planet size weapons and most of their army and they just keep on coming with new stuff - bigger and bigger ships, new ship trackers, ram lasers, portable star killers, they just seem to have endless resources.
- Follow up: The First Order has tech to track ships through hyperspace. They just do, OK? It's only one unit and on one ship. At least according to theory that a janitor and escape pod parking attendant come up with. Go with it.
- Ships in Star Wars can run out of fuel. That's right. All Empire ever needed to win was rationing.
- If BB8s can pilot ships and ATSTs, with full awareness of danger, why are we still sacrificing men and aliens of the galaxy for mundane escape runs.
- To do anything on imperial cruiser you need: janitor (knows the way), codebreaker (can program the ship, mostly found around roulette tables or in any jail cell, literally any jail cell will do, they just sit in cells and wait for business opportunities despite having all the keys needed to escape), magical mcguffin character (like Maz Katana) to tell you about codebreaker. Oh... the days when droids like R2 class could download and store full maps and interface with the ships.... right?

Weird stuff done for foxtrot knows what reason:
- Luke chucks his long lost "story for another time" ancestral light sabre behind shoulder. For lols?
- "A day in life of retired Jedi master" documentary. Running up that hill. Hunting giant fish with giant spears. Fair enough. Then milking of giant aliens. For lols?
- Jedi training is cut down from lifting stones and elevating crafts from swamps to three philosophical lessons.
- Turns out Yoda can speak quite a few sentences in perfect grammar before reverting to his usual "speak odd shall I"

Some help me out, I missed something questions:
- After duel with Kylo how did Ray escape pretorian chambers? I just can't recall.

Highlights:
"It (The Resistance) is not about fighting what you hate, it's about saving what you love". Nice.
Robe free falling after Luke becomes one with the force.
The eye of beholder. Scene at Luke's training temple as seen by Kylo and as seen by Luke.
Resistance ship going into hyperspace through the FO fleet. In silence.
 
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vOn has said basically what all older real starwars fans are thinking.

Other than that it was decent enough. Better than TFA but still way down the list of starwars films.

my god it felt so forced on so many occasions. The whole cruiser story, complete bs. The final battle? Lol with. The Luke Rey story was decent.
Snoke, possibly the biggest let down of star wars history?
Poe dameron just comes across as a monumental douchebag
 
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uroboros said:
Probably going against the grain but thought it was an appalling inchoherent mess. Obviously I'm not the target audience easily distracted by the shinies. And seriously that intential humour, it was like carry on nazi meets cgi fraggle rock. Asked the boy after and he said it was good but not as good as the phantom menace which says it all...
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You are not alone. Phantom Menace is better than this.....
 
v0n said:
Came back from work, still can't shake off the weirdness of this movie. Thoughts:

Redundancy of characters:
- Chewbacca - still apparently cold blooded a-hole. In TFA he gives Leia cold shoulder after Hans death. In this one he lands on Selkrik, doesn't go to meet his old friend until Rey asks him to kick Luke's door in a few days later. WTF is going on.
- Supreme Leader Smeagle Snookie - pointless, aimless, unexplained, "fans didn't like him, let's kill him off" botch job. Really nicely arranged, including "strike the pose" vogue aesthetics of Pretorian Guards, but WTF man?
- Phasma is the new Boba Fett, underused, fan serviced onto the screen, killed off too stupidly and hastily.
- There is clearly no purpose to R2D2 among The Resistance. No wonder he's in power saving mode.

Overload of perils:
- At some point in the movie you realise every single lead and main supporting character was already at peril, saved by luck or mcguffin throughout the movie. Those that should have survived - Phasma, Luke, Snoke - all died. Those that we expected to die or stay in peril as a cliffhanger - Leia, Finn, Rose - survived.

Canon breaking stuff introduced for no reason other than lazy writing:
- Force users not only can sense each other (we knew that) but can be linked for videoconference by third parties. Wow, how did they not use that throughout the history of Jedi/Sith struggle is just beyond me... And the lols of tech details to cover potential plot holes "I can only see your face, can't see your surroundings". That's some Facetime... Introduced only to create shortcut for Rey to face Kylo.
- Force users can have an effect on real world from beyond the grave (Yoda's thunders). WTF wasn't Luke backed up by those dead Jedi a-holes during his struggles with Vader, do you know how many lives and planets could be saved if the intergalactic war ended in TESB? Jedi are truly a bunch of mean a-holes. All for few seconds of visual candy.
- Force users can manifest remotely (at a great cost to their biological power if done alone). If only Jedi Council knew that... And how would Luke know where and when to manifest himself in the entirety of the universe? Nevermind...
- Even minor, untrained force users can return themselves from death and limitations of space physics (Leia's revival). Yup. Someone should check if Palpatine is really dead. And this was done for ef knows what. She could have survived bridge attack by simply going to the proverbial toilet (you know, anywhere else on the ship for whatever else reason during the attack), but instead she had to go through George Clooney's role in "Gravity" and all the associated weirdness of her frozen body knocking on air lock from the outside and all. Wow. Such an odd idea.
- Rey was born as the most powerful intuitive Force wielder in the known universe only accidentally, due to imbalance of the Force. So, in the end, it's not about training, lineage or midichlorians. It's about numbers. Complication? Every time Jedi kills a Sith, more powerful intuitive evil Force user is born. And vice versa.

"Go with it" mcguffins:
- The First Order was organised by Supreme Leader Snoke in the outer rim from the ruins of Imperial arsenal traded as "Lord of War" style piles of junk. Unlike Empire though, to maintain its warmongering adventures, First Order is apparently financially independent as it doesn't come from the wealth and resources of The Old Republic turning into Galactic Empire, it comes from... oh.. that's right... who exactly pays for all this nice, shiny single use planet sized weaponry and dreadnought ships? We've just seen a destruction of one of their planet size weapons and most of their army and they just keep on coming with new stuff - bigger and bigger ships, new ship trackers, ram lasers, portable star killers, they just seem to have endless resources.
- Follow up: The First Order has tech to track ships through hyperspace. They just do, OK? It's only one unit and on one ship. At least according to theory that a janitor and escape pod parking attendant come up with. Go with it.
- Ships in Star Wars can run out of fuel. That's right. All Empire ever needed to win was rationing.
- If BB8s can pilot ships and ATSTs, with full awareness of danger, why are we still sacrificing men and aliens of the galaxy for mundane escape runs.
- To do anything on imperial cruiser you need: janitor (knows the way), codebreaker (can program the ship, mostly found around roulette tables or in any jail cell, literally any jail cell will do, they just sit in cells and wait for business opportunities despite having all the keys needed to escape), magical mcguffin character (like Maz Katana) to tell you about codebreaker. Oh... the days when droids like R2 class could download and store full maps and interface with the ships.... right?

Weird stuff done for foxtrot knows what reason:
- Luke chucks his long lost "story for another time" ancestral light sabre behind shoulder. For lols?
- "A day in life of retired Jedi master" documentary. Running up that hill. Hunting giant fish with giant spears. Fair enough. Then milking of giant aliens. For lols?
- Jedi training is cut down from lifting stones and elevating crafts from swamps to three philosophical lessons.
- Turns out Yoda can speak quite a few sentences in perfect grammar before reverting to his usual "speak odd shall I"

Some help me out, I missed something questions:
- After duel with Kylo how did Ray escape pretorian chambers? I just can't recall.

Highlights:
"It (The Resistance) is not about fighting what you hate, it's about saving what you love". Nice.
Robe free falling after Luke becomes one with the force.
The eye of beholder. Scene at Luke's training temple as seen by Kylo and as seen by Luke.
Resistance ship going into hyperspace through the FO fleet. In silence.
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You described (half) of what is wrong indeed :)
 
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