Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

Hades said:
Something very odd is going on here. On rotten tomatoes the professional critics are giving it 93% but the fans themselves only 55%.

Why such a difference of opinion?
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Critics are looking at it in a little more objective manner, fans view are driven by heart.

The fans will pick on one little thing and blows it up to be the biggest problem in the film and rate it down.
 
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Hades said:
Something very odd is going on here. On rotten tomatoes the professional critics are giving it 93% but the fans themselves only 55%.

Why such a difference of opinion?
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Most professional critics are not as invested as the fans. Also, Disney is supposed to be pretty ruthless if you upset them too much.
 
Raymond Lin said:
The fans will pick on one little thing and blows it up to be the biggest problem in the film and rate it down.
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Or, alternatively, the fans love the Universe so much it hurts to see it treated like this - Either/or could be right, or maybe even a mix of both. Remember only a Sith deals with absolutes, just like Darth Yoda reminded us with his Do or Do Not, there is no try speech in Empire :D
 
Hades said:
Something very odd is going on here. On rotten tomatoes the professional critics are giving it 93% but the fans themselves only 55%.

Why such a difference of opinion?
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Critics are assessing the film objectively. Fans are assessing the film subjectively to how it matches what they wanted to happen.

For the record I think the critics have been overly generous, the fans overly harsh. Somewhere in the middle is about right.

On a different note I heard a rumour about RJ’s trilogy being set in a completely different galaxy? Has anyone heard this? I thought they would have gained separation by closing off the rebel/empire and introducing something new but completely separating it seems a little weird.
 
Wow, this was by far the worst Star Wars film to date. So many contrivances, plot holes, nonsensical behaviour, hollow characters, cringy attempts at humor and the super cringey kid ending designed to sell toys..

I hate this. On the other hand, Thrawn trilogy as well as Jedi Knight games still exist, so I will fix up my appetite with that.

Cannot stand the people who defend this mess though. You gotta be blind, brainless or tasteless to not see the issues with this film. Force Awakens was already bad enough with its beat for beat remaking of New Hope, but damn..
 
Paul_cz said:
Wow, this was by far the worst Star Wars film to date. So many contrivances, plot holes, nonsensical behaviour, hollow characters, cringy attempts at humor and the super cringey kid ending designed to sell toys..

I hate this. On the other hand, Thrawn trilogy as well as Jedi Knight games still exist, so I will fix up my appetite with that.

Cannot stand the people who defend this mess though. You gotta be blind, brainless or tasteless to not see the issues with this film. Force Awakens was already bad enough with its beat for beat remaking of New Hope, but damn..
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It's one thing you don't like it, that's your opinion and I have mine, but what right do you have to call people differ from your opinion to be blind, brainless or tasteless?

What make your opinion right, what makes it absolute?
 
Paul_cz said:
Wow, this was by far the worst Star Wars film to date. So many contrivances, plot holes, nonsensical behaviour, hollow characters, cringy attempts at humor and the super cringey kid ending designed to sell toys..

I hate this. On the other hand, Thrawn trilogy as well as Jedi Knight games still exist, so I will fix up my appetite with that.

Cannot stand the people who defend this mess though. You gotta be blind, brainless or tasteless to not see the issues with this film. Force Awakens was already bad enough with its beat for beat remaking of New Hope, but damn..
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Too right being a fan or not the whole script was junk. Luke was going to sacrifice himself just because he believed in the good of his father in ROTJ. Yet what he did in TLJ just beggars belief. He would have never done that. It is like Donald trump being a greedy billionaire then donating his entire fortune to charity!
 
adam cool dude said:
Too right being a fan or not the whole script was junk. Luke was going to sacrifice himself just because he believed in the good of his father in ROTJ. Yet what he did in TLJ just beggars belief. He would have never done that. It is like Donald trump being a greedy billionaire then donating his entire fortune to charity!
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There was like 30 years between ROTJ and TLJ though and clearly a lot has happened.
 
Raymond Lin said:
There was like 30 years between ROTJ and TLJ though and clearly a lot has happened.
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Like the attempted murder of his nephew, because he saw a bit of Dark in him. Yeap thats exactly the sort of thing "the fans" wanted to see Luke Skywalker do in his last star Wars film. Is it any wonder that fans are angry!!!!:D
 
Guys that say we didn't know much about Emperor in OT or Siths in prequels and it didn't bother us. That's incorrect - we knew who/what they were. Siths were one of the old "religions", The Emperor was the leader of Galactic Empire that rose on the ashes of The Old Republic. Snoke on the other hand? We were told First Order was established after the Battle of Jakku in 5 ABY from remnants of the Galactic Empire. Who was Snoke in ranks of Galactic Empire then? Where was he (as a Force user) in "balance to" equation of the original trilogy? Where did he get the funds to establish First Order and keep making bigger and bigger weapons? We didn't need to know these things about Emperor or Siths in OT or prequels because things were self explanatory - Emperor had ef loads of funds to build planet sized lasers because he had wealth of the Old Republic at his disposal, Siths on the other hand were around for millennia etc, they were the equivalent of Teutonic orders in our earthly history, whereas we didn't get anything on Snoke and First Order, we were just chucked into the middle of it and told "it is what it is, stop asking questions". As a script writing method that's about as sound as lavatory door rhymes.
 
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Just been to see this

What a mess, what a total mess. Really disappointed at what I hoped would be a great film.

It’s like they have been taking lessons from DC rather than Marvel on character development..
 
v0n said:
Guys that say we didn't know much about Emperor in OT or Siths in prequels and it didn't bother us. That's incorrect - we knew who/what they were. The Emperor was the leader of Galactic Empire that rose on the ashes of The Old Republic.
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From the original trilogy dialogue (not revised special editions), this is all we knew for two whole movies:

Tiniest reference to Emperor in 'A new hope'

Governer Tarkin:
The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the Emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.

General Tagge:
But that's impossible. How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?

Governor Tarkin:
The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battle station.
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Empire Strikes back scene

Darth Vader
What is thy bidding, my Master?

Emperor
There is a great disturbance in the Force.

Darth Vader
I have felt it.

Emperor
We have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker.

Darth Vader
Yes, my Master.

Emperor
He could destroy us.

Darth Vader
He is just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him.

Emperor
The Force is strong with him.
The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi.

Darth Vader
If he could be turned he would become a powerful ally.

Emperor
Yes. Yes. He would be a great asset. Can it be done?

Darth Vader
He will join us or die, Master.
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You're telling me we knew more about the Emperor at this stage than we do about Snoke?

I will conceed however that at least they had somewhere to go after that with the Emperor (and did, in Return of the Jedi) whereas
short of Snoke surviving being cut in half and miraculously appearing in Episode IX, I can't see that we'll now find out much more about him.
 
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@VincentHanna

I agree we didn’t know much about the emperor but the context was different our window on the galaxy far far away was much smaller we’d been told less. At the start of RotJ we believe Liea Luke Vader and the Emperor are the only force users left as it is heavily implied. At the end we have Luke and the potential of Liea. Yet 30 years later we have an Emperor strength user who wasn’t trained by Luke. That is a question that should be answered. If Snoke was not a force user the question of his background is less problematic.
 
v0n said:
Guys that say we didn't know much about Emperor in OT or Siths in prequels and it didn't bother us. That's incorrect - we knew who/what they were. Siths were one of the old "religions", The Emperor was the leader of Galactic Empire that rose on the ashes of The Old Republic. Snoke on the other hand? We were told First Order was established after the Battle of Jakku in 5 ABY from remnants of the Galactic Empire. Who was Snoke in ranks of Galactic Empire then? Where was he (as a Force user) in "balance to" equation of the original trilogy? Where did he get the funds to establish First Order and keep making bigger and bigger weapons? We didn't need to know these things about Emperor or Siths in OT or prequels because things were self explanatory - Emperor had ef loads of funds to build planet sized lasers because he had wealth of the Old Republic at his disposal, Siths on the other hand were around for millennia etc, they were the equivalent of Teutonic orders in our earthly history, whereas we didn't get anything on Snoke and First Order, we were just chucked into the middle of it and told "it is what it is, stop asking questions". As a script writing method that's about as sound as lavatory door rhymes.
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Absolutely this. The exact point I've argued many times. The universe was still being built when the emperor was introduced as the head of the empire. We didn't need his back story as the empire being in power was all we knew. After everything that's happened the fans deserved an explanation of how this Snoke guy managed to rebuild the empire etc. With no background it's just lazy storytelling.

Also the guys saying the critics are looking at the film objectively. Looking at the film objectively and it's just as bad. Taking away what i feel they done with Luke, Leia etc. A decent opening then you have to suspend belief when they use gravity dropping bombs in space. I found myself bored for long stretches. A boring slow chase through space doesn't make for good viewing. Especially as we had already seen small fighters causing extensive damage. Holdo character was poorly done then actually tells Leia that she likes Poe at the end after he held a mutiny against her. The whole casino bit wasn't good at all and again found myself bored. It picked up in the final third but I still felt we needed a good lightsaber battle or something as it still kind of dragged on. Looking at it as a movie wothout taking into it my love for Star Wars amd it still would be around a 6 or a 7 out of 10 for me. As a Star Wars movie leading on from everything that's went before and what it done to some characters, I'm down to around 5/10. How anyone, let alone professional movie critics can give it 9-9.5 leads me to believe that some money has switched hands. It clearly happens in the gaming industry so it no doubt happens with movies too.
 
v0n said:
Guys that say we didn't know much about Emperor in OT or Siths in prequels and it didn't bother us. That's incorrect - we knew who/what they were. Siths were one of the old "religions", The Emperor was the leader of Galactic Empire that rose on the ashes of The Old Republic. Snoke on the other hand? We were told First Order was established after the Battle of Jakku in 5 ABY from remnants of the Galactic Empire. Who was Snoke in ranks of Galactic Empire then? Where was he (as a Force user) in "balance to" equation of the original trilogy? Where did he get the funds to establish First Order and keep making bigger and bigger weapons? We didn't need to know these things about Emperor or Siths in OT or prequels because things were self explanatory - Emperor had ef loads of funds to build planet sized lasers because he had wealth of the Old Republic at his disposal, Siths on the other hand were around for millennia etc, they were the equivalent of Teutonic orders in our earthly history, whereas we didn't get anything on Snoke and First Order, we were just chucked into the middle of it and told "it is what it is, stop asking questions". As a script writing method that's about as sound as lavatory door rhymes.
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Absolutely this. Even the books haven't mentioned him. You at least need some kind of context rather than zero explanation. It doesn't make sense, even in Star Wars!
 
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