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Bloodlines goes some way to explain this. The new republic wanted no army and would not chase the remnants of the empire to finish them off.
Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]
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Bloodlines goes some way to explain this. The new republic wanted no army and would not chase the remnants of the empire to finish them off.
Caporegime
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I never read any extended universe books, but you can assume that even with the Emperor gone that the imperials had vast resources that would be quite easy for somebody to take over and rename 'First Order'
Caporegime
I don't see why Snoke's background and childhood not being in it is such a problem, the story isn't about him. Did you get annoyed in the originals that we didn't find out how Jabba got his criminal empire or how Boba Fett became a bounty hunter?
Caporegime
You think the Empire was all but destroyed at the end of ROTJ? The emperor was destroyed, the empire wasn't.
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Dooku/Yoda, epic arena battle, end of phantom menace, loads of other jedi/sith action in the films too. All the fight scenes in the prequels are vastly better than the last two films.
Soldato
What was destroyed at Return of the Jedi, were the Death Star, the Emperor, Darth Vader and the Executor. (Vader's Dreadnought class ship)
Took the New Republic a year and a big battle to beat the Empire at Jakku, and still thousands of worlds remained loyal to the Empire even in core and mid-rim, but remained peaceful.
On the outer rim, the Imperial commanders had converted it to a semi "far west", with the New Republic struggling to do much. And from there a military junta was formed under Snoke and the Knights of Ren. The First Order.
(the creation of the First Order is more complicated but I believe a brief description is enough).
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Jabba/Bobba were never portrayed to be the main villains within the story though. TFA portrays and aligns Snoke as if he is the ultimate bad guy going forward. He controls the First Order and is clearly controlling and using Kylo. That movie gives you the feeling that at some point there is going to be an epic battle between whichever character and Snoke to defeat him
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damn, the fight scenes are awful. Snoke died in 1 second. other fight scenes only lasted 1min. Luke didn't even get to use his lightsaber for one last time.
Caporegime
It's not the movies fault that you went in with preconceptions. The amusing thing is if they had ended with an epic battle between Snoke and Rey they would have just been accused of copying the old films.
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Yup, awesome stuff. 
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It's entirely the movie's fault I went in with preconceptions. The Force Awakens lays all of the foundations down for this. Nearly everyone that went in to the Last Jedi having seen the Force Awken's would have gone in wanting to more about Snoke. They deliberately made him mysterious in the first film to so that you have all of these questions to entice and hype you up to want to see the next movie to get get answers.
I personally don't care about the 'copying' of the old films and it didn't even have to end with Snoke and Rey having an epic battle. They still could have got rid of him by the end of this film all they had to do was at least feed some kind of information back to the audience. Given how many people don't like the casino scene or think the Finn/Poe plot line doesn't need to be in the film there was plenty of scope for them to have added something even if small.
I personally don't care about the 'copying' of the old films and it didn't even have to end with Snoke and Rey having an epic battle. They still could have got rid of him by the end of this film all they had to do was at least feed some kind of information back to the audience. Given how many people don't like the casino scene or think the Finn/Poe plot line doesn't need to be in the film there was plenty of scope for them to have added something even if small.
Just want to check that this is making a point that the fighting was actually crap as they aren't even coming close to hitting each other, just swinging?
Haha yes that was the point.
Over choreographed to the point where they are literally just swinging their light sabers around without attempting to hit each other.
Soldato
I love SW but, to be honest, I've never got the whole hero worship aspect of Luke. Personally, I think the way it went in TLJ made sense.
The Jedi are all dead, his father was the second most evil person in the galaxy, he's correct about the Jedi letting the Sith/Empire rise, his attempts at a New Jedi Order failed and everyone was killed or defected (then vanished, apparently), his nephew was heading to the dark side, his mentors are dead (and from his reaction to Yoda in TLJ it doesn't seem as if any of them are exactly regular visitors) so, in my opinion, despair is quite fitting. That despair manifested as his split second thought about killing Ben and look where that went. Add that to all the other hurts and I'm not surprised Luke went full PTSD. Everyone freaks out like Luke was perfect. He's not. He's, at best, a partially trained, completely unsupported Jedi. Grand Master Yoda had 800 years of experience and the benefits of the Jedi at their height and when it all came down he ran off to Dagobah and went a bit strange. Yet, Luke should have remained the happy go lucky soul from the OT? Yeah, that's the realistic angle that TLJ should have taken.
And before anyone mentions Hammill's initial complaints about RJ's direction for Luke (which I've seen lots since LTJ was released but never with his part where he came round to the new direction - that's always cut off), I must say that Hammill was starting to remind me of Jason Nesmith (Commander Taggart) from Galaxy Quest. Living on past glories.
All that said, the one thing that I think TLJ did really wrong was the use of an FTL jump as a weapon. As many others have pointed out, once you weaponise hyperspace then you can never again have a fleet battle as a single ship can wipe out any fleet.
Oh, and the stupid Cantobite sequence. So preachy and pointless. I'd rather they just found the hacker in the brig and introduced the kid completely fresh.
And before anyone mentions Hammill's initial complaints about RJ's direction for Luke (which I've seen lots since LTJ was released but never with his part where he came round to the new direction - that's always cut off), I must say that Hammill was starting to remind me of Jason Nesmith (Commander Taggart) from Galaxy Quest. Living on past glories.
All that said, the one thing that I think TLJ did really wrong was the use of an FTL jump as a weapon. As many others have pointed out, once you weaponise hyperspace then you can never again have a fleet battle as a single ship can wipe out any fleet.
Oh, and the stupid Cantobite sequence. So preachy and pointless. I'd rather they just found the hacker in the brig and introduced the kid completely fresh.
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and yet the majority of it looked pretty good 
Caporegime
And you think it is correct that Rey given her lack of training is basically as good as Yoda who had several centuries of training in peak Jedi history.
The problem with the TLJ it's lost it's magic, i understand where Rian Johnson is going to suit the younger audience however some of the movie was abit cheesy for a powerful leader to get killed by a light saber and knowing the force snoke should have known what kylo was doing, plus the scene had so many shout backs to the ROTJ for example seeing the rebels getting destroyed , where the light-saber was and also knowing that there still some good in kylo like anakin
Soldato
In what way is she as good as Yoda? She already seems to be fairly handy at fighting (evidenced by how she handles the thugs in TFA) but, other than that, most of her skills seem like those of a skilled student, not a master. Any time she uses the Force in TLJ it seems fairly simple (pushing/pulling lightsabers) but, other than that, she seems to mainly just use 'normal' human skills. I'm sure she's helped by the Force but she's not exactly operating at Master level.