Stirling Moss Bigotry
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Soldato
[Moss]Now there's one Red Bull driver I wouldn't mind giving a bit of finger action[/Moss]
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I find this an unfair comparison . Susie Wollf only had 10 laps to set her time. Naturally she was getting a little faster as she progressed. Bottas had 170 laps to set her time. I'm sure Susie would have been much quicker had she had 170 laps and not just 10.
She did benefit from Team Penske and Castroneves being a lap off on their calculations at Motegi in 2008, yes. However you don't finish 5th in points (and ahead of all your teammates) the next year without some degree of driving talent. Fuel strategy does happen more on the ovals, it's worked for Dario quite a few times (2007 being the most notable example). It's not really possible to make a fuel tank in the current spec that allows for 300-400 miles, and it would arguably be much more dangerous.
The reigning champion Brad Keselowski finished 25th in points in his first season with Penske (and he is a better stock car driver than Patrick). So I don't think 12th or above is a realistic goal at this point.
Soldato
Moss is an idiot. nuff said
Patrick got a drive because she takes her clothes off and is reasonably attractive. She never even won a race in any other formula she competed in prior to Indy. Even then for a long time she had a weight advantage.
My biggest issue with her is watch her run off at the mouth to other drivers safe in the knowledge they won't punch her. She thinks she's a lot better than she is. I would have loved her to come to f1 just for the lols.
This susie got a drive because she's moderately attractive and married the right person. I suppose its no different to how massa got his Ferrari drive, hooking up with a todt
My biggest issue with her is watch her run off at the mouth to other drivers safe in the knowledge they won't punch her. She thinks she's a lot better than she is. I would have loved her to come to f1 just for the lols.
This susie got a drive because she's moderately attractive and married the right person. I suppose its no different to how massa got his Ferrari drive, hooking up with a todt
I guess WKA championships don't count? I think she held her own at the Formula Ford Festival and a competitive Atlantics field. Not the best driver out there, but not the worst either. Paul Menard has a single win in over 200 Sprint Cup starts and is a pay driver, but I don't see anyone wanting him kicked out of the sport.
You might want to tell Joey Logano that, you know, the guy that was a gifted a win by a rain stoppage. He seemed to think putting Hamlin into a barrier at 190mph was just racing.
Is getting a drive because you have boobs any worse than getting a drive because daddy has a big cheque book?
And Danica is a race driver, which is very different to being a test driver for a team that competes in a series with no testing. A lot of the F1 teams reserve drivers won't turn a wheel in an F1 car all season. Hell, I expect a lot of serious F1 fans couldnt name all the F1 team reserve drivers without Googling it.
And Danica is a race driver, which is very different to being a test driver for a team that competes in a series with no testing. A lot of the F1 teams reserve drivers won't turn a wheel in an F1 car all season. Hell, I expect a lot of serious F1 fans couldnt name all the F1 team reserve drivers without Googling it.
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She had 100km which would have been about 30 laps.
Sorry, who had 30 laps ?
The documentary stated Susie had 10 laps. Your quote said Valtteri Bottas, Williams, 48.963s, 170 Laps.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rk3bv/Driven_The_Fastest_Woman_in_the_World/
Skip to the 54 minute mark.
Skip to the 54 minute mark.
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Didn't read the whole thread yet but she married her way into F1 and the documentary was made by her brother. Great foundations for a balanced debate there.
By not reading the whole thread you have missed the point. Like any thread this has gotten side tracked because people prefer to focus on other issues rather than the obvious issue I stated and wanted to mainly discuss which was in the title of this thread.
Yes the documentary was made by her brother. He didn't set the lap time in the Williams F1 car though did he ?
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I've read the whole thread now. My comment still stands.
I've not missed any point really. As F1 drivers go, woman or not, tester or not, she's pretty average. Maybe she inspires other women, great, but viewed as a driver in motorsport, she's pretty mediocre at best.
Ok, well that's your opinion, thanks for sharing.
Do you genuinely think she is 'the fastest woman in the world'?
No Skeeter. I thought the title of documentary was pretty dumb and as people have already said this isn't surprising given that her own brother made the documentary. All of that aside though, there are a lot of people within F1 who have no family connections to her who see her potential. David Coulthard for example and many others whose opinion I value. Susie's lap time also speaks for it's self. She's not the most promising woman out there, Bietske Visser is clearly more promising at this point but she is deserving of some decent sponsorship and an opportunity to prove her self.
Soldato
Unfortunately deserving sponsorship and an oppotunity isn't all that is needed to get on in motor racing especially F1, that's regardless of gender. Sad as it is.
There are plenty of people out there who are deserving a shot (probably more so than Susie Wolff) who will never get a chance to even test in F1 let alone have a documentary made all about their situation.
There are plenty of people out there who are deserving a shot (probably more so than Susie Wolff) who will never get a chance to even test in F1 let alone have a documentary made all about their situation.
Soldato
Regardless of peoples opinions I do find this whole subject to be rather interesting.
I have no knowledge of the levels of discrimination against women in motorsport and so can not comment on that but I feel like most of the issue begins when women are very young age.
Conditioning.
How many parents out there buy their daughters dolls and things to play with? Media, Parents, School - everything conditions a girl to be very much the sterotypical girl. If everyone growing up was simply given an open choice for everything they ever did I doubt we'd have this problem at all. Even the ones from families who have sense and let them do what THEY want - the girls friends will mostly be that way and it will influence her from there.
IMO, boys seem to have a lot more freedom from a young age to choose hobbies and interests that they want. I don't feel like girls have this same level of freedom.
By the time many girls realise they want to take something up, they are already well behind in preperation and training / skill level.
But the whole thing being Men v Women is far too big a generalisation. I've always been better an sports and athletics than any Boy / Man I've ever met in my life growing up. Yet there are 1000s and 1000s of women out there in all kinds of sports who even if I trained every day in that sport I could never match.
It will change in time. Most of my generation will not be conditioning their children as much and it'll get less and less with each one but it won't change in a matter of a few years.
Whether I have a Son or a Daughter, I will introduce either of them to every single thing I can so they can make their own mind up about what they like.
It's not just a problem for girls this - it's just worse for them.
I was brought up playing football constantly. Now as a child, I didn't think nothing of it. I was really, really good at it. Nobody could ever touch me but at a critical age I began to realise how much I hated this sport. I started to form my own opinions and try my own things. I took up snowboarding for example, I got into Ice Hockey (although never played) and Squash. These are the sports I still do to this day.
If i'd started playing Ice Hockey or Squash instead of Football...who knows what could have happened. I'd have kept them up my whole life. Not saying I would have got anywhere but you get the idea.
These F1 starts are often racing from the age of 6 or 7. how many girls are doing that?
I have no knowledge of the levels of discrimination against women in motorsport and so can not comment on that but I feel like most of the issue begins when women are very young age.
Conditioning.
How many parents out there buy their daughters dolls and things to play with? Media, Parents, School - everything conditions a girl to be very much the sterotypical girl. If everyone growing up was simply given an open choice for everything they ever did I doubt we'd have this problem at all. Even the ones from families who have sense and let them do what THEY want - the girls friends will mostly be that way and it will influence her from there.
IMO, boys seem to have a lot more freedom from a young age to choose hobbies and interests that they want. I don't feel like girls have this same level of freedom.
By the time many girls realise they want to take something up, they are already well behind in preperation and training / skill level.
But the whole thing being Men v Women is far too big a generalisation. I've always been better an sports and athletics than any Boy / Man I've ever met in my life growing up. Yet there are 1000s and 1000s of women out there in all kinds of sports who even if I trained every day in that sport I could never match.
It will change in time. Most of my generation will not be conditioning their children as much and it'll get less and less with each one but it won't change in a matter of a few years.
Whether I have a Son or a Daughter, I will introduce either of them to every single thing I can so they can make their own mind up about what they like.
It's not just a problem for girls this - it's just worse for them.
I was brought up playing football constantly. Now as a child, I didn't think nothing of it. I was really, really good at it. Nobody could ever touch me but at a critical age I began to realise how much I hated this sport. I started to form my own opinions and try my own things. I took up snowboarding for example, I got into Ice Hockey (although never played) and Squash. These are the sports I still do to this day.
If i'd started playing Ice Hockey or Squash instead of Football...who knows what could have happened. I'd have kept them up my whole life. Not saying I would have got anywhere but you get the idea.
These F1 starts are often racing from the age of 6 or 7. how many girls are doing that?
Soldato
I imagine that will be a big part of it certainly, like many sports it's a male dominated world but unlike most sports there is no (that I know of) men only and women only divisions. I can see there being more women racers and the more that do get coverage it will perhaps inspire more to want to try it.