Subway - Bacon-less rant!

[cheets64]

Why does it bother u if i did...

As for what other muslims do, thats none of my business tbqh...i live my life how i choose to, not once have i taken the holier than thou attitude...i know what mistakes i have made in my life...i dont make them anymore

Nice

Oh Cheets go cry me a river...not only do you chat **** in these threads, you also do it over in the football forum too

meh, your opinon, we both live different lives, you in London me in Wigan, you dont know what its like, son.

You do realise I wasn't agreeing with you.. right?

You criticise us if we do not follow all of our religious teachings yet you want us to integrate "your" ways of life. To integrate fully as described above would mean we need to ignore our religious beliefs. We're dammed if we do and if don't - do think your attitude is likely to make things better or worse?

FYI: I goto the pub (but don't drink), watch the football and like a fry up in the morning (actually anytime, sorry if that offends your culture) just without any pork based products!

I would integrate with a religion if I lived in a non Christian country, I wouldn't walk around with my Union Flag shorts on, drinking and chanting songs, I would respect the country and its religion, so I don't see why its fair that British culture is slowly ripped from certain areas and you actually feel like you should not be in that area, I have had many experiences of being shunned in the UK just by walking/working in a certain area.

I wouldn't mind if I was obnoxious or being racist but just going about my business and being abused because of my colour. Its not on.

Anyway, I'm done in this thread.

 

[Yas786]

Nice



meh, your opinon, we both live different lives, you in London me in Wigan, you dont know what its like, son.





Anyway, I'm done in this thread.

Yep and quite clearly i live a far better open minded life than you being stuck up in grim ole Wigan.

Hahaha no your not done Cheets, wont take u long to air your xenophobic racist views when the opportunity arises.

 

[Lima]

Its things like this that make religion seem retarded....

I was brought up a catholic (not sayings its strictly what I follow now)...I'm happy the way I was raised and stuff and I respect certain aspects of other religions but now..... the PC ******** is just pathetic....

Its a chain restaurant from the USA.....just have different options on the menu....All the retarded people behind these corporate decisions are doing is segregating society. Why not have a Subway that serves food for all, by offering slightly different menu options under one roof!!!?? Is that too crazy!!.....Yeah, it is....lets segregate the global chain so that in predominantly western Christian areas we serve a crappier menu....that religious nut jobs will appreciate but the other majority X% wont....

 

[batsy]

Oh Cheets go cry me a river...not only do you chat **** in these threads, you also do it over in the football forum too

And i do have a fry up everyday but without pork...and plenty of muslims i know also have fry ups lol.

But why without pork? Honest question. Google isn't much use imo as the results leave more questions than answers. Is 'unclean' more of a spiritual definition rather than a hygiene concern?

 

[Lima]

But why without pork? Honest question. Google isn't much use imo as the results leave more questions than answers. Is 'unclean' more of a spiritual definition rather than hygiene concern?

+1 for the awesome ending question that I've never seen any 'modern day forum posting Muslim' answer correctly before...should be interesting ...

Bet whoever answers with some sort of deep response justifying it spent the last 12 hours googling it....

If anyone does know the real reason that isn't to do with this, then my hats off to you, I will send you an Ice cream in the post.

 

[muon]

Being halal is probably up to the franchise owner. I suppose you are annoyed by other privately owned halal shops.

All this halaal meat annoys me, it tastes terrible and i don't see why we should accommodate other people religions.

Last I checked you are doing nothing. If other people want to accomodate other faiths in their businesses then its up to them.

 

[darkgen]

Let's be fair, most instructions perpetuated by a faith aren't exactly founded in rational thought.

 

[RopAyy]

+1 for the awesome ending question that I've never seen any 'modern day forum posting Muslim' answer correctly before...should be interesting ...

Bet whoever answers with some sort of deep response justifying it spent the last 12 hours googling it....

If anyone does know the real reason that isn't to do with this, then my hats off to you, I will send you an Ice cream in the post.

Ive read very little in regards to why its not allowed and that was way back when i was working in a kitchen and intrigued but all i seem to be able to find out is that it was written so it is...

002.173
YUSUFALI: He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
PICKTHAL: He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh, and that which hath been immolated to (the name of) any other than Allah. But he who is driven by necessity, neither craving nor transgressing, it is no sin for him. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: He has only forbidden you what dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that over which any other (name) than (that of) Allah has been invoked; but whoever is driven to necessity, not desiring, nor exceeding the limit, no sin shall be upon him; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

No, i do not have any issues with any other 'halal' franchise, nor do i have an issue with this. My only concern is that in what is meant to be a city with the majority been Caucasian/Christian 'we' as a demographic have the least available options now when it comes to eating out at particular franchises and other places.
Im not ignorant to other beliefs or cultures nor do i think they should be dismissed or ignored, i may not follow or believe in them but for one reason or another other people do and have the right to practice and follows those beliefs. It just feels that in recent years in this city the beliefs and needs of the 'minority ethnic' groups far out ways that of the locals and slowly feels like 'we' if we are still a majority are been pushed out.
I do not agree with cheats's attitude towards it but i can see his point.
I cannot walk around 95% of this city due to feeling and been treated like an uninvited minority.
This city and a few others just need more balance, if we keep up this splitting franchises and especially leaving out the native folk we really are going to have a fully segregated society that integrate even worse with each other than they currently do.

 

[Ahleckz]

FYI: I goto the pub (but don't drink), watch the football and like a fry up in the morning (actually anytime, sorry if that offends your culture) just without any pork based products!

Calling something a fry up, when it hasn't got any bacon can not be legal surely!?

 

[ilcp]

You should move to Islamabad and open a non-Halal subway. That'll teach em.

lol.. what a random choice..

wouldnt think so. ive seen halal served right next to standard food a lot.

its odd especially when halal can be pretty much ignored. the number of times i've seen muslims eating at macdonalds or munching on a bacon sarnie is unreal.

halal shouldnt be anywhere near non-halal food due to contamination/using same hands/utensils etc

Also a muslim eating McDonalds doesnt mean anything.. it doesnt define the religion, it just says that muslim is not following his religion.. no conflict.

Having said that, i have heard some people think because this is non-muslim land, we are allowed to eat non-halal food.. but i personally think they are just finding any old excuse to eat McDonalds..lol

Haha that's ridiculous. Why should we even provide those stores is it too difficult for them just to not have bacon on a sandwich?

1. its demand.. if subway didnt provide, muslims wouldnt eat, subway wouldnt get the $$$$$..

2. is it too difficult for you to comprehend that we follow our religion?

Makes you wonder why 'God' even bothered to 'create' pigs in the first place.

God also created poison, why don't you try that?

 

[Tefal]

FYI: I goto the pub (but don't drink), watch the football and like a fry up in the morning (actually anytime, sorry if that offends your culture) just without any pork based products!

you sicken me!


But equally I like you because you give up your bacon ration so I may have more

 

[ilcp]

Move to Wigan, every subway in the area has plenty of bacon.

Pretty sad to see British towns being over run with Muslims and their fear of pigs.

Shouldn't they be integrating with British cultures not the other way around?

we dont fear pigs.. we cant eat pigs.. there is a difference... and how is eating pigs help integrate with British cultures? should we also then stop making curries, indian restaurants?

im not muslim btw but the amount of hate towards them is unreal, some of them are good and some are bad, unfortunately you only hear about the bad ones in the media.

This.. is true.. somehow media always state the religion when talking about muslim criminals, but not when the criminal is white, black etc.. i wonder why.. in fact i saw a programme on BBC (Question time) where a bloke said he left media because of the way they would put Muslim/Islam down in their story just to hype it all up.. disgusting imo..

That's really stupid, we were here first and if they don't like the fact we eat bacon they can **** off!

yeah.. well ur grandfather/great-grand father didnt think twice before invading India/Pakistan and looting it did you?

So how do they know what they are eating is def Halal meat. Could I grab a bag of meat and slap a sticker on it and say its HALAL ? Is that enough to convince ??

I bet there are lots of places out there doing this to save money

well nowadays we unfortunately have to be extra careful, there have been stories whereby we have discovered muslims dont sell halal food.. that is why we have organisations like HFA, HMC. HMC i think sell halal food to authorised dealers/restaurants etc.. so if you see HMC sign then u know it is halal

 

[ilcp]

The problem is YUM brands imo

I have to drive 15 miles to Lakeside to get non halal KFC or Subway. All of the KFCs/Subways in my area, and that's about 6 within 2 miles are halal.

actually if it makes u feel better KFC isnt really halal afaik.. because of their stunning chicken before mechanically slaughtering which isnt allowed.. (although some say it is allowed!)

so feel free to pop into your KKFC and start eating non-halal food

 

[ilcp]

How is this any different to kosher produce stores? Pretty much the same principle and nobody seems to have much of an issue with them.

maybe because they are not muslims.. anything muslims do seems to create problem because of how media portray us..

 

[batsy]

God also created poison, why don't you try that?

Why did God create poison?

Why did God create unclean pigs?

Thanks for the suggestion.

 

[Tefal]

we dont fear pigs.. we cant eat pigs.. there is a difference... and how is eating pigs help integrate with British cultures? should we also then stop making curries, indian restaurants?

hey we integrated with your curry!

in fact Scotland now has a major business in exporting curry to India

Hows that for irony

 

[ilcp]

they are not selling meat that is stunned and killed humanly .

where is the research/stats/experiment etc? .. if i killed you when you was unconscious are you saying you wouldnt feel pain? because that is just ridiculous..

The only reason they don't want bacon cooked anywhere near the halal places is that bacon smells delicious when cooking and they would feel compelled to give up their religion and eat a bacon sandwich while discussing politics with their wives while taking them to the job centre to find them a job modelling provocative clothing.

wasnt there a big hoo haa over how westerners dressed their teenager girls and then they were being targeted by paedophiles? (and as a result stores were asked to not sell provocative clothes for young teens?)i dont think we need a rocket scientist to work out modesty is the best policy..

 

[Tefal]

im not muslim btw but the amount of hate towards them is unreal, some of them are good and some are bad, unfortunately you only hear about the bad ones in the media.

the media were hoping for some good old Irish style attacks from the Islamic nutters and it never really came just some incompetent crap after the first one so they're kinda just playing on anything to make news people want.

 

[ilcp]

Why did God create poison?

Why did God create unclean pigs?

Thanks for the suggestion.

answering my question with a question? ..

 

[dave_beast]

actually if it makes u feel better KFC isnt really halal afaik.. because of their stunning chicken before mechanically slaughtering which isnt allowed.. (although some say it is allowed!)

so feel free to pop into your KKFC and start eating non-halal food

But if it says it's "halal" there's no real bacon on the menu, so meh.

Problem as I see it is salafism taking a hold in the UK because of the wars in the middle east/Israel. The way salafism works is to make you feel guilty for criticising any aspect of Islam, harem items, quaran etc. So us with our overly PC western world falls over itself to accomodate, all the while the screws are getting tightened.