**Summer Transfer Thread: News, Rumours and Speculation**

To be fair, all the BS before Ronaldo signed seems just that as it seems they agreed the deal ages and ages ago in private. LIkewise the Kaka deal was seemingly done in Jan and went through quietly, I also saw very little horsing around with their defenders being signed, nor with Benzema.

Infact ignore the English press and I'm not sure what Real have done wrong, except so far not be held hostage to Benitez's price. Theres nothing to say they HAVE to match that price and all the crap from the deal I hear on the price is Benitez or Alonso/agent talking about him leaving.

If we ***** 30mil on De Rossi, i'll be shocked, and cry, hugely over rated, Italians might rave over him, but they rave over most of that Italy squad which is largely over rated fairly poor players these days.

But all signs point to the fact that we HAD 3 world class central midfield players who were defensively minded, and we sold them all because Wenger thought Denilson/Song were good enough. Has there been a single indication ALL SEASON that he thinks anything other than those two being the future of the club? If he thinks those two are brilliant, why would he buy. For instance, say he had Macherano and Hargreaves(fit) in their prime, would you expect him to buy. The thing is, he seems to think those two will be as good, wherein lies the problem.

Gilberto wanted to go as he wasn't getting gmaes and he was slowing down.
Flamini wanted to go, nothing we could do about it. His past record shows he's a mercenary
Diarra, had no patience and he most certainly isn't World Class, in fact none of them were. Stop talking rubbish.
 
Hmm just realised i can't log on either, says "the version of the game is not supported". Has there been a patch released or is my key banned?

Unfortunately the version of the game where Arsenal win the league went out of support around 5 years ago, and no patch has yet been released for this. There's been rumours they might try and hotfix an old part back in in the shape of Patrick Vieira, but I think too much has changed since then and regression issues are inevitable. To stand any chance of completing the game they'll need all existing parts to run flawlessly with no downtime.

As for De Rossi, he's overrated and from what I saw in the world cup, far too hotheaded. I'd consider £15m expensive, nevermind £30m.
 
To stand any chance of completing the game they'll need all existing parts to run flawlessly with no downtime.

As for De Rossi, he's overrated and from what I saw in the world cup, far too hotheaded. I'd consider £15m expensive, nevermind £30m.

Clever, but I think untrue. Last season, despite injuries to our squad we managed a magnificent unbeaten run even though we didn't win anything. But if you look at the others in the big four the only team that won anything important was United. However, I do agree with you about De Rossi. We don't need him, we already have Arshavin, Fabregas, Walcott & Nasri (when fit) I think those are plenty of star names.
 
Unbeaten runs don't mean much to me outside of cup competitions, if you want to win the league you should be winning matches. That unbeaten run coincided with our worst scoring record for 15 years or so, 4 games without scoring iirc? I was sat watching the 0-0s with West Ham & Sunderland thinking why am I paying for this. Arsenal were 18pts off the pace last season; heck, 11pts off 3rd place for that matter.

My view is that a couple of serious injuries would seriously disrupt any potential challenge for the title, i.e. say 2 from Gallas, Fabregas, Van Persie and Arshavin were out for a couple of months at the same time, I think that would hamper our efforts greatly.
 
Unfortunately the version of the game where Arsenal win the league went out of support around 5 years ago, and no patch has yet been released for this. There's been rumours they might try and hotfix an old part back in in the shape of Patrick Vieira, but I think too much has changed since then and regression issues are inevitable. To stand any chance of completing the game they'll need all existing parts to run flawlessly with no downtime.

As for De Rossi, he's overrated and from what I saw in the world cup, far too hotheaded. I'd consider £15m expensive, nevermind £30m.

LOL i wondered where this post went, have no idea how it ended up here :D.
 
My view is that a couple of serious injuries would seriously disrupt any potential challenge for the title, i.e. say 2 from Gallas, Fabregas, Van Persie and Arshavin were out for a couple of months at the same time, I think that would hamper our efforts greatly.

I wholeheartedly agree with you. We do need some extra players to cover the gaps that will most certainly appear with our players and their injury records. Although like you I also do not think that De Rossi would be a good buy. I'm taking it you don't see Viera as a good deal for this season though?
 
I wholeheartedly agree with you. We do need some extra players to cover the gaps that will most certainly appear with our players and their injury records. Although like you I also do not think that De Rossi would be a good buy. I'm taking it you don't see Viera as a good deal for this season though?

I think he could be a very good signing for you. I wouldnt have thought he would play 30 games, he would there to pass knowlegde onto Song surely?

and we sold them all because Wenger thought Denilson/Song were good enough. Has there been a single indication ALL SEASON that he thinks anything other than those two being the future of the club?

Please stop banging on about these players, it's getting rather boring reading the same post a hundred times. ;)

Song had a few good games last season, he needs game time tho. Song's 21! Granted he might turn into nothing but a bit part player but he could also turn in the next Viera. Flamini left last season so that obviously dented AW plans, we know he doesnt like to throw money at the situation and quite right aswell. Arsenal is a business aswell as a football club! Denilson isnt a DM, He's too weak and cant spot danger quick enough.
 
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I think he could be a very good signing for you. I wouldnt have thought he would play 30 games, he would there to pass knowlegde onto Song surely?

No, I agree, I think Viera would be a good signing. I know Wenger isn't keen on signing players over 30 but I think that the younger players could learn a lot from him. Plus if he is a regular in the starting line up then he can allow Song to possibly cover a centre back if needed. I was asking Hangtime if he agreed or not. :)
 
No, I agree, I think Viera would be a good signing. I know Wenger isn't keen on signing players over 30 but I think that the younger players could learn a lot from him. Plus if he is a regular in the starting line up then he can allow Song to possibly cover a centre back if needed. I was asking Hangtime if he agreed or not. :)

I know, was just adding to the convo matee! :)
 
Personally my view is that if a player (Song) who turns 22 next month, having been playing in the first team squad for 4 years isn't good enough, then he's not going to ever be good enough to be playing at the level Arsenal aspire too, and no amount of 'teaching' from Vieira will help him.

He could develop into a passable utility man, but he is no Vieira, no Gilberto, heck, not even a Diarra. He had a few decent games at the end of the season but it'll take more than that to convince me.

I really don't know about Vieira. My heart says yes, my head says maybe not. When we sold him in 2005 I publically gave up hope on a top2 finish to the surprise of many. The trouble is I haven't seen much of him lately and hearsay doesn't bode well.

I do think he's an underrated player though (may sound a funny thing to say about a 'star'!), most people don't realise just how good a ballwinner he is/was, they said he was poor in his last 12-18 months at the club when that simply wasn't the case, he just wasn't offering as much going foward as he used to.
 
You haven't got a clue how transfers work have you? Not a clue.

So apart from Real themselves getting the Ronaldo and Kaka deals done some six months ago in all but signature, saying very little themselves this summer on either of the biggest deals in football. Other than english press theirs very little evidence of anything they've done "wrong" this summer.
Infact if both deals were all but sown up 6 months ago, ALL the press BS since then on Ronaldo has been just that. Infact when it came out Ronaldo was leaving for 80mil it happened very quickly, from offer of the exact right amount to terms being agreed with very little fanfair or multiple offers as happens for deals that aren't pre arranged.

Please stop banging on about these players, it's getting rather boring reading the same post a hundred times. ;)

Song had a few good games last season, he needs game time tho. Song's 21! Granted he might turn into nothing but a bit part player but he could also turn in the next Viera.

If you could tell me where I bashed them in that post please, go ahead. I was simply getting at the fact that people are convincing themselves Wenger will buy replacements, I didn't bash either in the slightest despite thinking they are piles of poo, my point, the only point I made, was that Wenger has made it clear on multiple occasions that he THINKS both are the future of the club and is more than happy with their on field performance. In that situation I'm saying he'd be absolutely nuts to buy replacements would he not?


As for Furton, lets see, Gilberto's not world class, ok whatever, he's still first team for Brazil(and one of brazil's best performers in the last 2 years of smaller cups). Diarra most certainly WILL be world class and Flamini is fantastic at the position he plays which isn't really DM but a old school CM. Mercenary, not sure what slumming it in Arsenal reserves/bench for 3/4 years makes him mercenary?

Gilberto wanted to leave for first team footie, though with Flamini and Diarra gone, he would clearly have been first team. Flamini wanted to go, because we never offered him a great contract to that point, was on pretty low wages for a long time for a guy in his position at the club. We could have kept Diarra for 6 months and told the guy with Gilberto and Flamini moving on he'd clearly be first team.

All 3 players were allowed to leave and if you don't think Wenger was capable of persuading at least one of them to stay for first team footie in the champs league with a decent contract, well, thats naive. They were allowed to leave because as shown this year all year long, Wenger things Song and Denilson are more than good enough replacements.
 
Other than Song and Denilson being poo any other news on the arsenal front. I was hoping I could get to watch the Arsenal games this weekend but I dont have SS and my wife dislocated her knee so i am house bound with her and my daughter.

Lots of names being thrown around and apparently Everton have made a bid for Senderos. I do hope thats rumour because of the Lescott thing. We dont want to lose another CB this late in the summer.
 
BBC Transfer Gossip said:
Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is to use the £30m generated from the sale of Xabi Alonso to Real Madrid to make a bid for Spain striker David Villa.
Full story: The Sun

And Roma midfielder Alberto Aquilani could be signed for £15m if, as expected, Alonso completes his move to Spain.
Full story: Daily Mail

Everton have made a bid for Arsenal centre-half Philippe Senderos, hinting that they have agreed a deal with Manchester City to sell defender Joleon Lescott.
Full story: Daily Mirror

City have made a £22m take-it-or-leave-it offer to Everton for Lescott, and will go for Newcastle's Sebastien Bassong or Alex of Chelsea if the answer is no.
Full story: Daily Mail

Everton are so keen to keep Lescott at Goodison Park that even a bid approaching £30m would be turned down.
Full story: The Independent

AC Milan midfielder Andrea Pirlo is preparing to demand a transfer so that he can force a switch to Chelsea, who have had a bid of £14m plus Claudio Pizarro rejected.
Full story: The Sun

Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano is set to stay at Anfield after Barcelona, who were interested in the Argentine, ruled out any more big-name signings this summer following the capture of Zlatan Ibrahimovich.
Full story: Daily Star

Portsmouth have not given up hope of signing Hajduk Split striker Nikola Kalinic despite talks breaking down this week when Pompey insisted on paying the fee over six years. The 21-year-old is now talking to Porto.
Full story: The Sun

However Blackburn are trying to hijack Porto's attempts to sign Kalinic, and are rushing through a £6m offer.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has hinted that midfielder Patrick Vieira could make a shock return to the club.
Various

And Wenger is ready to splash the cash following the sales of Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Toure to Manchester City, with Bordeaux striker Marouane Chamakh (£6m), St Etienne midfielder Blaise Matuidi (£6m) and Roma forward Mirko Vucinic on the list of targets. (Daily Mirror)

West Ham will find out next week if they will be able to sign former Chelsea striker Eidur Gudjohnsen, who is now at Barcelona.
Full story: The Sun

Manchester United are preparing a £3.5m offer for Bursaspor striker Sercan Yildirm.
Full story: Daily Star

Hull are hoping to complete a deal for Newcastle full-back Habib Beye next week.
Full story: Daily Mail

Portsmouth are close to signing Australian striker Mark Viduka from Newcastle. (The Times)

Birmingham manager Alex McLeish is in talks with Sporting Gijon about a £2m deal for midfielder Michel. (Daily Mirror)


OTHER GOSSIP
Manchester City's Brazalian star Robinho has revealed how he tried to persuade manager Mark Hughes not to sell compatriot Elano to Galatasaray.
Full story: Daily Mirror

Sunderland manager Steve Bruce has fallen out with Bordeaux boss Laurent Blanc after the Frenchman claimed that the Black Cats are not a big enough club for striker Marouane Chamakh.
Full story: Daily Mail


AND FINALLY
Not content with splashing the cash on the Premier League's great and good this summer, Manchester City are also spending lavishly elsewhere. Apparently, £2m was spent on setting up the club website.
Full story: Daily Mail
 
If you could tell me where I bashed them in that post please, go ahead.

But all signs point to the fact that we HAD 3 world class central midfield players who were defensively minded, and we sold them all because Wenger thought Denilson/Song were good enough. Has there been a single indication ALL SEASON that he thinks anything other than those two being the future of the club? If he thinks those two are brilliant, why would he buy. For instance, say he had Macherano and Hargreaves(fit) in their prime, would you expect him to buy. The thing is, he seems to think those two will be as good, wherein lies the problem.

Ok its not bashing as such.
 
We can't allow Liverpool to get Villa and Torres together. I'd be happy if Fergie paid twice that price to stop it happening.

You wont need to worry about it, there is no way that we will sign Villa. For a start we would need to pay loads more than £30 million, and more importantly, Villa has always maintained for several years now that he has no interest or desire to leave Spain. He has always said he only wants to play in Spain. Theres very very little chance that Benitez would manage to get him to join us...or indeed any team outside of Spain.
 
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