** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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Azza said:
There isn't a lot they can do surely... if they wanted to they could have done it for an even stupider amount of money but I suppose they've tried to keep it realistic.
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If Barca Real or United came out with a £500m+ deal then maybe £400m for City it would be realistic. As it stands it eclipses the best known teams in the worlds naming rights for a team that has won 1 FA Cup in how many years?
 
I didn't know about the half brother part. Thing is they will have success because of l the money they have and they are already even more widely known just cos of the money. I still doubt UEFA will do anything. If tried to I bet they'd get Etihad to become primary CL and Europa league sponsors... then they'll definitely do nothing! :D
 
Paper talk for today.

*Real Madrid are lining up a £50m bid for Carlos Tevez.
*Roman Abramovich is ready to bankroll an £80m swoop for Luke Modric and Carlos Tevez.
*Cesc Fabregas was at the centre of fresh transfer speculation after Arsene Wenger left him out of the squad due to tour China and Malaysia.
*Manchester United have been put on red alert of Wesley Sneijder's discussions with Inter Milan on his future over the next 48 hours.
*Joe Cole is determined to stay at Liverpool
*Manchester United will tell Wesley Sniejder to drop his £250,000-per-week wage demands if he is to become their latest signing.
*Manchester City are ready to splash out £40m on Atletico Madrid striker Sergio Aguero.
*Vincent Kompany will be Manchester City's new captain once Carlos Tevez is sold.
*Arsenal are trying to hijack two Liverpool deals for Jose Enrique and Stuart Downing.
*Samir Nasri has told Arsenal he will not move to Inter Milan.
*Arsenal are set to miss out on landing Bayer Leverkusen's Arturo Vidal.
*Tottenham have added Gareth Bale, Sandro and Michael Dawson to their list of untouchables headed by Luka Modric.
 
lol Dawson, untouchable.

Kompany was superb last season, no idea why he wasn't captain over Tevez in the first place!
 
Moses said:
"They may include that person’s children and spouse or domestic partner, children of that person’s spouse or domestic partner, and dependants of that person or that person’s spouse or domestic partner."

The half brother isn't any of them, tehehehe.
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Yet its close enough to home for UEFA to investigate, it doesn't have to literally state every possible combo.. common sense!

The headline figure's mental, but do you know everything it covers? Do you know the details of all rival sponsorship deals?
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We know Arsenal's deal was £90mill over 10? years + £60mill towards the new stadium costs.

Moving forward with inflation and City's deal is way way too much to be anything but suspicious.
Then add in the half-brother thing, the fact Etihad has never made an operational profit and pretty much exists for political wink-nudge making between people in 'that' part of the world, the only people who cant see anything wrong are city fans..go figure.

I cant find the exact quotes, but i remember watching an interview with someone from UEFA on how FFP was going to be enforced, and he basically said that financial deals to prevent any suspicion of wrong-doing must be 'at market value/rate' and to decide the market value, bidding processes must take place between interested parties, allowing UEFA to gauge how valuable the club actually is in the eyes of investors.

I suspect City never bothered with this (hence JWH's tweet 'how much was the losing bid?') and instead went to Etihad "Hey, give us £400m and we'l put your name outside our stadium!" "deal!"
 
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Moses said:
Just lol. But for the health of the business in general, the football market must be regulated. Letting clubs do whatever they want is just not good for the majority (look at Scotland, or Spain, where two clubs just dominate/ruin the competition).
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Not entirely true in Spain though really. Barca have built a team consisting of mainly players from their youth system. (Valdez, Puyol, Pique (granted they sold and re-bought), Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pedro, Messi to name the regulars). They maybe spend big once every other season, and as has been brought to the attention of many recently, Barca don't really have a lot of money to just throw around. Barca dominating the league is simply down to years of training and commitment from a youth level.
 
LiamT said:
Not entirely true in Spain though really. Barca have built a team consisting of mainly players from their youth system. (Valdez, Puyol, Pique (granted they sold and re-bought), Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pedro, Messi to name the regulars). They maybe spend big once every other season, and as has been brought to the attention of many recently, Barca don't really have a lot of money to just throw around. Barca dominating the league is simply down to years of training and commitment from a youth level.
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Being honest, Barca have gone some £300m in debt on transfer fees towards 'flop' players.
 
LiamT said:
Not entirely true in Spain though really. Barca have built a team consisting of mainly players from their youth system. (Valdez, Puyol, Pique (granted they sold and re-bought), Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pedro, Messi to name the regulars). They maybe spend big once every other season, and as has been brought to the attention of many recently, Barca don't really have a lot of money to just throw around. Barca dominating the league is simply down to years of training and commitment from a youth level.
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yeah, the fact that themselves and Real both earn over 5x what the next club do in tv money is just coincidence.
 
DanH84 said:
yeah, the fact that themselves and Real both earn over 5x what the next club do in tv money is just coincidence.
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That may well be the case...But what's that got to do with the fact Barca build team's, they don't buy them?

Real are a whole different story, they've been heavily in debt in the past. If I remember rightly did the King Of Spain not buy the training ground some years back to clear some of the debt? They are the Royal team after all...
 
Downing does seem like a odd choice and for a £18m price tag.. I certainly does not seem like something AW would do.. Would i ahve him as a direct replacement for Nasri? If he can produce more than 1 assist and score a few goals then why not? He might be suited to the bigger stage?! Maybe even a change in formation coming up with a 442 in mind?
I know it wont happen but if somehow we manage to get hold of Mata as replacement for Cesc? That would be quite tidy and we would have made a profit by selling Fab + Nasri

Currently at the minute i can see a number of directions of which AW can go in, and i would definitely like to see a midfield partnership of Wilshere and Ramsey within the next year or two :)
 
If Arsenal buy Downing I'll literally cry, cutting in and shooting a lot without scoring many, how many of those do we have, genuine crossing ability, who will he cross to, our best(only) header of the ball is desparate to leave because we won't play him.

Meh, we need massive fundamental change to the team, formation, tactics, defensive coaching, without that theres not a huge amount of reason to bring people in.

Squillaci, Kos, Gallas, just about everyone in Arsenal's defence looked like massively better players at clubs before(and after) joining us, which should make it painfully obvious the problem is mostly not the players, but the system we use being rubbish.

I think it shouldn't be surprising people who used to be assistant managers/coaches at Utd/Chelsea have moved on(players aswell) to be managers while the past 10 years have seen a couple dismal failures of managers and zero offers for our staff to go into management.


As for City, you've got to remember how advertising is decided, you get X millions because you can reach an audience Y big. Sorry but City, worldwide, don't even come close to Arsenal, who aren't a patch on Utd/Real/Barca worldwide. Market value, actually honestly they should do it fairly quantitatively, fans worldwide divided by the deal the club with the most fans have for a advertising per fan type figure. City would fail that miserably, painfully badly. This is the issue, an advertising company genuinely for fair market value wouldn't give City half the amount they would give Barca.

I also thought, according to the City fans on here, that City had a plan and could easily break even without resorting to massively over inflated cheating sponsorship deals.
 
LiamT said:
That may well be the case...But what's that got to do with the fact Barca build team's, they don't buy them?

Real are a whole different story, they've been heavily in debt in the past. If I remember rightly did the King Of Spain not buy the training ground some years back to clear some of the debt? They are the Royal team after all...
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Because 'Barca dominating the league is down to years of training and commitment from a youth level' is an incomplete statement. They've spent and will continue to spend plenty. I can think of Chygrinsky, Ibra, Villa, Affelay, Mascherano, Maxwell, Keita, Adriano (and I'm sure I'm missing a fair few out) They also have the highest wages of any football club in the world unless I'm very much mistaken? Now they're heavily linked to Fabregas and Sanchez... It's not like they are, or have ever been paupers (even historically).
 
Musicofthemind said:
Currently at the minute i can see a number of directions of which AW can go in, and i would definitely like to see a midfield partnership of Wilshere and Ramsey within the next year or two :)
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Theres potential, but this season Ramsey has looked awful, one goal and one great half against Utd was surrounded by 2-3 games where he was absolutely woeful. Hopefully its short term but he's looked half the player since the leg break. Problem is, like with Eduardo, will Wenger really give Ramsey a chance or will he end up playing 3 games a season which will naturally see his form become, basically , awful, then limp out of the club without being given a real chance.

Wilshire looked solid in all but a couple games this year, overall form this year, he was only behind Cesc really, maybe RVP aswell.

My main issue with Wilshire is, aside from consistantly dodgey stories in the press where I hope its just stupid entourage/friends getting him into trouble and he grows out of it, if Arsenal continue to decline, lose Cesc and drop down the table, he'll start to be a serious target for the top 4. Also if Arsenal drop out of the top 4, with our current wage spending, we'll be hugely financially unsafe which could quite easilly lead to having to accept silly large offers for the likes of Wilshire.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I also thought, according to the City fans on here, that City had a plan and could easily break even without resorting to massively over inflated cheating sponsorship deals.
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Reports I read said that they just struck oil in the stadium, in one of the executive boxes no less. They'll barrel it up and make milyuns!
 
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