** Summer Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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I know this is from the Fail and not directly transfer related, but I would be a bit surprised if there wasn't some truth in it and ultimately it will determine transfers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...s-want-Manchester-Citys-400m-deal-vetoed.html

AS a portion of that amount is for sponsorshiip of a whole complex to be built (admittedly including a new traning facility for City) - the amount "allocated " to sponsor that will probably be deducted anyway I would have thought - as its not directly football related earnings (or however UEFA word it)

Baring in mind the rumoured amount Utd are trying to chase Nike for their new kit deal to be started in a couple of years time - with the above deduction it could be similar amounts (the dubiousness from the £400m amount to my mind is the stadium naming rights which is shows to rarely if ever work for the sponsor in the case of a stadium already built as nearly everyone continues to call it the "old" name anyway)
 
Theres potential, but this season Ramsey has looked awful, one goal and one great half against Utd was surrounded by 2-3 games where he was absolutely woeful. Hopefully its short term but he's looked half the player since the leg break. Problem is, like with Eduardo, will Wenger really give Ramsey a chance or will he end up playing 3 games a season which will naturally see his form become, basically , awful, then limp out of the club without being given a real chance.

Wilshire looked solid in all but a couple games this year, overall form this year, he was only behind Cesc really, maybe RVP aswell.

My main issue with Wilshire is, aside from consistantly dodgey stories in the press where I hope its just stupid entourage/friends getting him into trouble and he grows out of it, if Arsenal continue to decline, lose Cesc and drop down the table, he'll start to be a serious target for the top 4. Also if Arsenal drop out of the top 4, with our current wage spending, we'll be hugely financially unsafe which could quite easilly lead to having to accept silly large offers for the likes of Wilshire.


I completely agree with you as the big danger is falling out of the top 4 as the walls could come down on us very fast. It's a very important season for us gunners. I will of course reserve judgement on AW regarding transfers until the window has closed. The question i have is currently at this moment in time if we was given another top 4 finish next season without any trophies would us gunners take it and be happy?

I honestly wouldn't know how long mentally it takes to recover from such a bad leg break but i certainly do want to see AW give ramsey a chance. I know Diaby is still playing for us after his break and if it was not for him currently loving that injury table i feel he would be playing a bit more.
It's shame because we all saw flashes of what Rambo could be like just before that break and there is no doubt a massive talent.
 
Just lol. But for the health of the business in general, the football market must be regulated. Letting clubs do whatever they want is just not good for the majority (look at Scotland, or Spain, where two clubs just dominate/ruin the competition). Football's still a sport, and if a handful of clubs are artificially boosting themselves in the UK, or relying on old glories to bring in many times the revenues of smaller clubs, there's no fair competition across the league.

Bring in central academies with drafting + collective revenues, I say :eek:.



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look at many other business markets in the world, you will find 1 or 2 companies dominating the market.

look at mp3 players - ipod dominate the market
look at operating systems - microsoft dominate the market
look at hoovers - dyson dominate the market
look at processors - intel dominate the market
look at search engines - google dominate the market
look at video uploads - youtube dominate the market
look at social networking - facebook dominate the market


that's the way business works, yeah it may be unfair to smaller companies, but that's just life. either manufacture better products or services or expand or be forced to be at the bottom of the food chain.

let's say i started a business tomorrow, competing with super giants like asda, tesco, etc. do you think i would get any help from anybody, are there any restrictions put on tesco or asda? nope, after all manchester city and chelsea aren't making any money, so why does anyone need to step in, its not as if they have a monopoly?

as far as i can see some billionaires are re-distributing their wealth, would you rather they keep it or spend it somewhere else in another country?

manchester city aren't making any money, they are losing it, in most cases where a regulating organisation steps in, is when a company is making too much money and has become far too powerful and zero other companies can compete and now they have a monopoly.

this isn't the case.

as for Scotland and Spain, without Rangers, Celtic, Barcelona or Real Madrid, their leagues would be nothing, maybe not so much true for Spain, they have a couple of good smaller teams, but it's certainly true for Scotland. Scotland only has a population of 5 million, therefore with the majority of that population being based in and around Glasgow, its obvious the Glasgow teams are going to be the most well supported.

If i was starting a business in Scotland i would want my locations to be in and around Glasgow, as i would then have more potential customers. If i stayed in England i have a host of big cities to have locations in, London being the biggest, but others are also bigger than Glasgow in comparison.

By coming in and saying you can only spend the money you generate is going to alienate potential rich buyers, these rich buyers are boosting the british economy. Lets take an average player at Chelsea on £120K a week, £60K goes towards the taxman, with the other £60K, most likely will be spending at least £10K a week of it towards cleaners, maids, petrol, cars, food, clothes, house, electricity, etc. So in fact the wealth is being distributed everywhere not just to the players or taxman.

This boosts our GDP and our Economy (which is down the pan right now and has been for quite a while now), without this money coming in from billionaires, we would be a lot worse off.

The only people complaining are those that support teams not owned by Abromovich or Mansour, like i said if the shoe was on the other foot, you would all be loving it.
 
Luka Modric has delivered an explosive interview on Sunday in which he accuses Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy of going back on a gentleman's agreement, before declaring that he still expects to leave the club this summer.

Modric saw a £22 million bid from Chelsea rejected by Spurs, prompting him to head for crisis talks with Levy. The chairman insisted afterwards that Modric would not be allowed to leave White Hart Lane and that the player understood the club's stance.

However, discontent is still palpable surrounding the midfielder schemer, with Rafael van der Vaart revealing his colleague is "disappointed" by the outcome of last week's meeting, while manager Harry Redknapp confessed Modric still wants to leave.

On Sunday Modric finally broke his own silence, claiming Tottenham's chairman "did not care" what he wanted, whilst stating he still hopes to engineer a move to Chelsea before the end of the summer transfer deadline.

Asked what he would do if Spurs refuse to let him leave, Modric was quoted as telling Sportske Novosti: "I haven't thought about it at all because [not letting me go] would definitely not be good for anyone. I have already told the chairman that last summer he said we would find a mutually satisfactory agreement if a club like Chelsea came in.

"I hope that eventually he will understand the situation and that we will reach an agreement and go our separate ways in an appropriate manner."

Elaborating on his meeting with Levy, Modric revealed the Spurs chairman was happy to let the midfielder spend the season rotting in the reserves if he did not honour his long-term contract.

"A lot has been published in the press about the meeting with Levy, who gave the public a twisted account of what happened.

"I must say that I am genuinely disappointed about what Levy said to me. He didn't care about what I was telling him. It all only convinced me further that I was right to consider moving on to another club.

"I reminded the chairman of our gentleman's agreement when we were in Dubrovnik last summer and I agreed a contract extension with Tottenham. At that time, I had an open chat with Levy - that if a bigger club came in with a concrete offer, we would consider it and agree the best solution for all concerned.

"The chairman said, 'Okay, we'll sit and talk [about any offers]'. Now Levy doesn't want to talk to me and said there is no possibility that I can leave Spurs.

"He threatened me - he said if I didn't accept the club's stance, they would make me sit on the bench or in the stands."

Modric also cemented his desire to play for new Chelsea boss Andre Villas-Boas, revealing his mind is already at Stamford Bridge, not Tottenham.

"There is no doubt that Chelsea want me - they sent a concrete offer to Tottenham. I know that the new Chelsea boss said he wants me in his team. Of course I am flattered by this interest in me - it's a club that all players dream of joining, fighting for every competition available.

"It wasn't a snap decision - I talked a long time with my family and people whose opinions I respect. I thought about it, weighed it all up, and finally decided this was the best option."
 
When quoting, it's normally a good idea to post the source!



Good sport can't be pure business, though! I want a competitive league, not a cartel of clubs dominating as they have vastly higher revenues than any new pretender. I want sustainability, not a load of clubs investing unrealistic sums in search of the holy grail.

Sure, there's no pure monopoly, but there's a oligopoly which is a cancer eating away at the beauty of sport. I mention it time and again, but in America they share revenues (not just TV deals, but merchandise, etc), then have an equitable way of sharing the best youth players coming out of college... it creates leagues where everyone has a chance of building a winning team. With the Premier League, a handful of teams can ever win... and that's lame.

Have a more competitive league won't result in huge blows to our economy. What's the Premier League TV deal worth? £1.8 billion? The NFL's is worth $20.4 billion... so £12.7 billion. Their population's ~300 million, compared to ours which is ~60 million... so say they're five times larger, by population. That NFL TV deal's seven times the size of the Premier League one. The NFL done these things that make clubs be run against the ~business methods~ you advocate, yet they rake even more money in...

If anything, the NFL teams are run as better businesses than football (soccer) teams, which have ridic levels of debt and make losses year on year... NFL teams actually make money!

PS. You say mega rich people wouldn't want to buy the clubs... who owns the numerous sports franchises in the US?!?

the american model will never ever happen over here though, too many people would object, especially the top 4-6 clubs
 
Well, I'd want a salary cap on top of all of the above... otherwise the salary cap would be higher than smaller clubs could afford (whereas if revenues were shared, all the clubs could afford to max out the cap, whilst still remaining profitable).

Football is in such a mess compared to the way the American sports are run we're such a shambles. Watching the NFL or NHL each year is great, there are always teams who will be very competitive but the very nature of their leagues and the financial rules means any team can be competitive and have a chance. I'm also in favour of the playoff system. Some people will probably say that isn't fair though. Drafts are also a great idea, especially with the weakest teams getting the first picks in the following year.
 
Yeah, it's not a pure lottery, so well run teams/good coaching's rewarded (the Patriots are consistently good)... but any team has a chance of building a good team, as they can draft a quality quarterback one year, building a new team around them.

Yeah it's a much better setup than football in Europe. Unfortunately I don't think we'll ever get something like that over here but I suppose the financial fair play rules are going a step in the right direction.
 
Because 'Barca dominating the league is down to years of training and commitment from a youth level' is an incomplete statement. They've spent and will continue to spend plenty. I can think of Chygrinsky, Ibra, Villa, Affelay, Mascherano, Maxwell, Keita, Adriano (and I'm sure I'm missing a fair few out) They also have the highest wages of any football club in the world unless I'm very much mistaken? Now they're heavily linked to Fabregas and Sanchez... It's not like they are, or have ever been paupers (even historically).

Fabregas in essence is a product of Barcelona's youth system, same with Pique. None of the players mentioned (the only exception being Villa) are actually first team regulars & Chygrinsky & Ibra have both been sold on.

Of course they buy, im not saying they don't. What I was saying was, they do not go out and buy a new starting XI every season. The players mentioned have all been bought over the course of what, the last 3-5 seasons? The backbone of Barca's team is players from the youth system, with players bought to fit in and around them.
 
Fabregas came to Arsenal when he was 16 and he's now 24. So even though he trained with Barcelona before that I would say he is more a product of the Arsenal youth system than the Barcelona youth system.
 
Im a Utd fan, but I would still say Pique was a product of Barca rather than ourselves. The years they played before they moved would have been the learning of the style of football Barca play. They would always have that instilled in them. Moving to Arsenal & Utd would be them then fine tuning their skills and developing, but the mentality of the player would still be that of the brand of football they grew up with.

I believe that's why Barca have already taken Pique back and continue in the pursuit of Cesc.
 
Well some excitement from the championship is that we (southampton) have signed Jack Cork from Chelsea for 750k :D

Pretty much the best signing possible at the level!!
 
Speaking of Barca spending vs rivals.... According to wiki figures the current FCB squad is 154.5 million euro.... Real? 518million
 
Speaking of Barca spending vs rivals.... According to wiki figures the current FCB squad is 154.5 million euro.... Real? 518million

Numbers to back up my words. Did it say over what time period? So say Barca bought Keita in 2008 (Not sure on actual year) and he's the longest serving current player in the squad they have bought. If you get me.

At a guess I think the longest serving player at Real that was bought from another club would be...Sergio Ramos? 2007 perhaps? £20m ish?
Casillas, Granero & Pedro Leon the only players from the youth system, and only Casillas players regular football?
 
Speaking of Barca spending vs rivals.... According to wiki figures the current FCB squad is 154.5 million euro.... Real? 518million

according to wiki, they sold ibrahimovich for 24million euros, whats that £20 million or something?

arsenal should have just gave them fabregas for ibrahimovich? would have been an amazing deal.
 
Numbers to back up my words. Did it say over what time period? So say Barca bought Keita in 2008 (Not sure on actual year) and he's the longest serving current player in the squad they have bought. If you get me.

At a guess I think the longest serving player at Real that was bought from another club would be...Sergio Ramos? 2007 perhaps? £20m ish?
Casillas, Granero & Pedro Leon the only players from the youth system, and only Casillas players regular football?

Just look up the squad pages?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_FC_Barcelona_season#Squad_information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Real_Madrid_C.F._season#Squad_information

That's the current squads.

Misread what you said, apologies, thougth you were asking for numbers, not agreeing!
 
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